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How long can this market keep going?

February 24, 2021 By Ryan Lundquist 14 Comments

Is the market about to crash? How long can this keep up? What’s going to happen? Every week I’m getting questions like this, so let’s talk through some of the issues. This post has lots of topics that are coming up, so just skim to something that looks interesting. Anything to add?

The truth is nobody knows the future: Most predictions these days either say the market is going to keep increasing for 5-10 years or we’re poised to crash. But nobody knows the future. I know that’s not a popular answer, but it’s true.

Unsustainable: This market is really starting to feel irrational. We are seeing freakish price growth and illogical offers, which is why this does not feel sustainable. I’m not saying the market is going to crash because of this, but I am saying this type of rapid appreciation cannot keep up without simultaneous economic growth or some other stimulus. Last week I got asked about this in a live interview with Fox 40. Enjoy the discussion (see 4:41 for my answer).

It’s not easy to time the market perfectly (seriously): On paper it’s easy to time a real estate market, but it’s not so easy to pull off in the real world because finances and lifestyle don’t always line up perfectly with market conditions. In other words, most people buy when their lifestyle requires a change rather than finding a so-called perfect moment where prices bottom out. In fact, most of the time when I ask people if they bought on purpose in 2012 at the bottom they say, “Nope, I just got lucky.” This is not to pressure anyone to buy right now. I’m just saying it’s a good idea to get rid of “the market is so easy to time” myth and consider your lifestyle as well as prices.

False prophets: Be careful of some who are forecasting the market because they’ve been making false predictions for years and they keep repackaging their prophecies when the old ones don’t come true. By the way, here is a prophet test flow chart to find out if you’re a real estate prophet.

We’re back to peak prices, so we’re going to crash: I gave a presentation recently where I talked about nominal prices being back to 2005 levels in a certain area and someone interpreted that to mean we’re at the top and about to crash. Look, the median price in the entire Sacramento region is now almost 20% higher than it was at the previous top in 2005, so it would’ve popped long ago if there was something magical about getting back to that level. In short, don’t put your stock in “getting back to the top” as a predictor of future trends. And for economic nerds, I’m talking about the nominal price here (which market participants tend to fixate on), so please don’t open up the inflation conversation.

Not the new template: What happened during the last housing correction is not the new template for every future market change, so we cannot look to the previous crash and derive some sort of bubble formula.

I’m going to sell at the top and rent: I had a conversation recently with someone wanting to sell soon and rent until the market crashes. I get it because this person wants to pocket equity and avoid pain, but here’s a practical consideration. If the market did decline it could take years to do so. For instance, it took about 6.5 years for the last cycle to fully decline in Sacramento. Of course the bulk of the decline happened in the first three years. No matter what though, the viable question becomes how long are you going to rent for?

Fear of missing out: There is a palpable fear among some buyers about missing out on the market and not being able to afford in the future. If you’re in that boat I recommend having lots of conversations with people you trust and maybe don’t buy if you cannot make a decision based in confidence. In my experience buying anything based on fear doesn’t usually work out so well. 

The market was slowing and now it’s not: The market was slowing down for years and now it’s doing something completely different (unexpected). The thing is despite being in a global pandemic we’ve had artificially low inventory in light of COVID (less sellers listing their homes), more migration due to the ability to work from home, and shifts in what people want and need as a result of the pandemic. Oh, and mortgage rates dipped below 3% which has created truly excessive demand. It’s been the perfect storm to build what is likely the most competitive market we’ve seen.

Do you see how price growth was slowing until last year?

This upward price trek is happening in many places around the country. Here is a killer visual from Freddie Mac economist Len Kiefer:

A foreclosure wave is coming: There is talk about a coming wave of foreclosures in light of elevated forbearance rates. Here’s the thing. We don’t know for certain how forbearance is going to shake out because we’re still in the thick of this pandemic. Yet forbearance rates have been declining per the Mortgage Bankers Association and not everyone in forbearance is going to sell either (the stats literally show this). Moreover, the vast bulk of people in forbearance have equity to deploy (sell, refinance, etc…) instead of lose their home. I’m not sugar-coating anything and I’ll be the first to say there is uncertainty on the horizon in light of this. I do expect for some of these people to legitimately go into foreclosure, but at this present moment the stats don’t support a narrative of a massive wave of foreclosures materializing. We’ll see what happens of course, but this is what the stats are currently seeming to show.

Riding down the market: If the market did crash, which neighborhood do you want to ride down the market in? This is a relevant question that I heard first from Mike Gobbi. Remember, the equity in our homes means very little unless we are taking money out or selling.

Freakishly high price growth: We’ve had uncharacteristic price growth over the past year. The median price far outpaced where it should have theoretically gone. From my estimation it’s about $40,000 or 9% higher than it should theoretically be had we had a normal year last year (see visual). This could of course be the new normal, but no matter what I think we need to recognize the market is doing something right now that goes against a slowing trend we were experiencing in previous years as well as normal price growth.

The double-edged sword of appraisal waivers: We’ve seen so many more appraisal waivers this year. I get the necessity in light of appraisers being so backed up with a refinance boom and huge volume in the resale market, but what happens to prices over time with so many waivers? If some of these homes are essentially closing too high, does that help inflate the market? Of course let’s remember one sale doesn’t make or break a market, but if we start seeing lots of inflated sales that could certainly help speed up price appreciation. This is something to watch.

Market price cycles & the 7-year rule: Some people buy into the idea that the market changes every seven years, but that’s really not true because here we are in our tenth year of price growth (in Sacramento at least). But there is something to be said about real estate price cycles. Markets go up and they go down. That’s what they do. Bottom line. So at some point the most natural thing we can expect is for prices to go down. You know what wouldn’t be normal? If prices just kept rising forever…

Rates going up can help (eventually): The other day a Realtor friend said he thinks rates need to go up. You know we have a problem when real estate professionals start saying rates are too low. Just remember it’s possible we could see more buyers rush the market if they sense rates really are going to go up. The idea is to get in before they rise.

Look for price resistance: One of the things to watch is whether buyers are resisting prices. So far that is not happening. This doesn’t mean everyone can afford the market, but this month we’re likely to have our eighth month in a row of higher sales volume and pendings have been off the charts. In short, buyers are clearly pulling the trigger right now and we are not seeing resistance when it comes to playing the market.

Dude, this is so obviously a bubble: I get the sentiment. But remember, one of the ways we know something is a bubble is if it actually pops. Freddie Mac had a great article referencing this point years ago.

But inventory is low: There is the notion that inventory is low, so prices cannot decline. That’s a reasonable idea, but it’s only true until it’s not true. If 2020 taught us anything it’s that sometimes dynamics shift, so let’s be open to the idea of the market not having to behave a certain way despite low inventory. With that said, there is such a profound imbalance between supply and demand right now, so prices are clearly poised to rise in the immediate future. Nobody knows how long this run will go, but we would be wise to recognize inventory is about both the active listings on the market as well as demand for those listings. I find conversations about low supply can be lopsided at times if we only discuss what is on the market rather than factors that create demand. Remember, when demand changes, it can also affect supply.

Keep your credibility intact (for real estate professionals): To my real estate friends, I recommend knowing the stats more than ever and being able to articulate what the market is doing by highlighting numbers instead of being swayed by every new sensational idea. I imagine many real estate professionals (including appraisers) will lose credibility in a market like this by being swayed by clickbait, posting predictions that don’t come true, or promising a future that is not known. Remember, sometimes the best answer is “I don’t know” when people ask you to predict the future – while having intelligent discussion about all the moving parts. My advice? Keep your credibility intact by being rooted in data.

I DIDN’T ANSWER MY QUESTION: You may have noticed I didn’t answer the question in my title. But hopefully after reading my post you can understand why.

I hope that was interesting or helpful.

Questions: What did I miss? What is coming up in conversations right now for you? I’d love to hear your take.

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What would happen to the housing market if we went on lockdown again?

November 17, 2020 By Ryan Lundquist 19 Comments

Lots of us are wondering about the future as COVID-19 cases are rising. When will this be over? What’s it going to take to beat it? And in terms of real estate, what would happen to the market if we went on lockdown again?

This isn’t about fear or politics, but conversation. This isn’t a prediction post either. My only purpose is to consider things that might affect housing. So let’s talk.

LOCKDOWN THOUGHTS:

1) Suppressed demand: There are many things that can affect a housing market. Mortgage rates, jobs, the economy, access to financing, etc…. and even the government. A mandated lockdown, whether national or statewide, is something that can suppress demand because the market isn’t able to operate as it normally would. When I say “lockdown” I’m talking about something akin to earlier in the year where occupied properties were not allowed to be shown.

2) Buyers & agents have learned: This time around we have more experience. The real estate community has learned to show homes virtually and buyers are more used to the idea also. However, if buyers and agents don’t have full access to real estate because of imposed rules then it’s hard to imagine seeing no effect on the housing market.

3) Sellers: One thing to watch is sellers pulling their listings from the market or waiting to sell if strict rules were imposed or if COVID numbers got out of control. Throughout the pandemic we’ve seen substantially fewer listings and it wouldn’t be surprising to see fewer during a lockdown or grave situation. Yet not all sellers are the same and there will be people who list no matter what.

4) Buyers: I imagine mortgage rates below 3% will keep propelling lots of buyers to hunt for homes because that’s exactly what’s been happening these past months. In short, mortgage rates have pulled far more buyers into the market than the coronavirus has pulled people out. In other words, so far the pandemic hasn’t hampered buyer demand. But what happens if access to real estate is limited or a feeling of uncertainty about the economy, housing, or future ensues? All I’m saying is we need to continue to watch buyer sentiment because it’s not something that always stays the same.

5) It is a real market: When the pandemic first began I heard things like, “This isn’t a real market,” but that wasn’t true. Prices slowed. There were far fewer pending contracts. And the market felt dull. In other words, we had real trends and stats even though there was an element of the market feeling suppressed due to governmental regulations. That didn’t make it a fake market though.

6) No effect whatsoever: Our market has done very well within the confines of current restrictions, so if those persist we may not see too much difference as long as demand remains high. But if the rules change and access to the market changes, that’s where we might expect to see a difference in the way the market feels (or a change in the stats). As a guy who follows the market closely what I am looking for is a change in buyer or seller sentiment or a change in something that would affect access to real estate.

7) Could we see a “W”? When the pandemic began we saw a huge drop in volume and then a massive recovery. This created a “V” shape because there was a drop and then an increase. Well, if we have a second round of outbreak and a lockdown, could we see another “V” which would then form a “W”? I wrote about this a few months back in a conversation with an economist. Or would the crazy momentum we have right now simply press through a lockdown? This is the question and we’re going to have to wait to see how it pans out. If anything we ought to be wary of predictions. I don’t think anyone at the beginning of the year predicted the market we’re in right now… This doesn’t mean we need to be shy about asking questions about the future though.

8) Commercial real estate: This has been a brutal year for many business owners and a second round of lockdown could be a deathblow. What happens to business owners and commercial property owners over the next few years?

9) Other: What else do we need to consider? What is on your mind? I’d really like to hear your take in the comments or via email.

Free webinar: I’m doing a big market update this week for SAFE Credit Union on November 19th from 9-10am PST. It’s free to anyone and it’ll hopefully be some good background noise while working. Register here.

Thanks so much for reading my post today.

Any thoughts?

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For those interested, here’s a big Sacramento market update:

MARKET SUMMARY: In short, the market has been slowing for the season, but it’s still best described as a “hot” market. I keep saying that this fall has not been normal because the market hasn’t softened like it normally does. It’s really felt more like spring than anything… With that said we have begun to see sales volume drop for the fall, but properties are still selling very quickly. In fact, half of all home sold in six days or fewer in the region last month. We literally have about 50% fewer listings right now, inventory is at historic lows, and we had 39% more multiple offers last month compared to a year ago. The big news is sales volume has finally caught up to last year after being down due to a slump at the beginning of the pandemic. What I mean is as a result of the past four months of heightened demand we’re finally back to 2019 levels. Well, Sacramento County is still down, but El Dorado and Placer County being up has effectively pushed us back to normal.

WAY TOO MANY VISUALS:

You are welcome to use these in newsletters and social media with proper attribution. Scroll quickly or digest slowly.

SACRAMENTO REGION:

SACRAMENTO COUNTY:

PLACER COUNTY:

EL DORADO COUNTY:

Other visuals: I have lots of other graphs. Check out my social media in coming days and weeks. I am posting daily stuff.

Thanks for being here.

Political comments: I will not approve any comments that are exclusively political because this is a blog about housing. We can touch on politics as it affects real estate, but overt political rants are best for other blogs.

Questions: Do you think we’ll go on lockdown? What are you seeing out there right now?

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Sellers, you don’t need 20 offers

September 8, 2020 By Ryan Lundquist 27 Comments

Sellers, getting twenty offers is the dream, right? That way you can be choosy about accepting the buyer with the strongest terms and probably a higher price too. But do you really need that many? In other words, can you get the same price with just a few offers? Let’s kick around this idea today.

THE SHORT VERSION:

1) No surprise. Getting more offers tends to lead to a higher sales price.
2) Sometimes just one offer can go way above the list price.
3) Homes with one offer also more regularly close way below the list price.
4) You don’t need 20 offers (but it sure does help).

THE LONGER VERSION:

Let’s look at some visuals and then consider some takeaways.

County Visuals: First off, I’m concerned these visuals are going to be confusing, so sorry if you’re thinking, “Dude, I only see dots and I have no idea what’s going on.” The goal is to show how much higher the sales price is compared to the original list price while considering the number of offers. Basically, when a dot is at 100%, it means a home sold at exactly the original list price. Or if a dot is at 110%, it sold 10% above the list price. Or 95% means it sold 5% lower than the original list price.

Question: What happens to prices when there are more offers?

The big plain truth: The truth is properties with more offers tend to close higher above the original list price than properties with fewer offers. Duh, I know we could have said that without the research, but it’s good to see what stats actually show rather than going with what we feel might be true. With that said, sometimes a home with just one offer can actually close at the same high percentage above the list price as a home with ten offers. So technically you don’t need ten to twenty offers to command a huge price (but it sure does help).

Neighborhood Visuals: Let’s check out some neighborhoods too instead of just the county. What do you see?

Conclusion: There are fewer data points to consider in the neighborhood visuals, but the takeaway is the same as the county (see above).

QUICK THOUGHTS:

1) 20 offers: If you’re getting 20 offers, it’s probably because you’re priced too low unless that’s what every listing is getting.

2) Aim for a few: Price it reasonably and you’re more likely to command a few solid offers and statistically be in the zone to compete above the list price. The reality is you don’t need 20 offers to get a huge price (but it helps).

3) Hang in there buyers: It’s not easy out there right now, but it’s worth noting not every sale is getting ten offers. It may feel true, but the stats don’t show it is.

4) Not everything is getting bid up: While many properties go 10% to 15% above the original list price, many homes sell below the list price. The narrative is Bay Area buyers are swooping in, paying cash, and everything is getting bid up, but that’s not true when looking at how many homes recently sold below the original list price (basically any dots below the 100% line).

5) Clear advantage: Having lots of offers gives sellers a huge advantage to be selective and accept contracts with the best terms (and probably higher prices).

6) Layers of the market: Not every price range is experiencing the same dynamic when it comes to multiple offers and getting bid up. This is why it’s so dangerous to take an experience with just one property and call it a trend for the market. Maybe. Maybe not.

I hope that was helpful. Thanks for being here.

Questions: How many offers do you think is ideal for a seller to get? Why are some listings able to command a huge price even though they only get one or two offers? What is it about those ones? Any other insight? I’d love to hear your take.

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How will the pandemic shape buyers and sellers?

April 30, 2020 By Ryan Lundquist 8 Comments

How will this pandemic shape buyers and sellers? What will people do differently when it comes to real estate? Here are some things on my mind. What do you think? Please comment below.

Rural areas: I’ve heard data firms and colleagues talk about growing interest in rural areas, so this is something to watch to see if it pans out. The idea is people are craving more space, so they’ll embrace a country lifestyle.

Land: A friend the other day was talking about land on the outskirts of the region. Owning a couple acres for $20K is appealing in light of the idea of having more space. Here’s a list of thirty lots under $50K.

Family & Divorce: Some people may want to move closer to family while other households are going to be splitting due to divorce.

Buyers more sensitive about location & condition: For years buyers have been exhibiting sensitivity to adverse locations and homes that are not in pristine condition. In other words, buyers have higher expectations about what they are buying and they aren’t overlooking the true condition of a home or paying top dollar for junk. I expect going through a pandemic will only inflame this dynamic.

Accessory dwelling units: I’m guessing accessory dwelling units will be more useful and desirable for extra income as a rental, housing family members, helping friends who lost jobs, and working from home. Here are all sales in MLS over five years with a listed guest house (I may do a deeper post on this soon). Some of these properties of course had more of a pool house, but many do have a legit ADU / second-unit / apartment thingy.

Moving out of state: This pandemic may motivate people to finally make that move they’ve been talking about to a different county or state. I’ve heard some locals say things like, “I’m heading to Texas as soon as this ends.” And I imagine some Bay Area residents are declaring, “I’m going to Sacramento when this is over.” Migration has been a trend already, and we’ll see how it evolves.

Home office: We’ve all been having Zoom meetings and figuring out ways to work from home lately. I suspect many businesses will go back to normal, but some may adapt their model. Thus having dedicated space for working from home could prove to be more valuable over time. I don’t know that buyers at the moment are actually shopping with this in mind, but if we see a bigger change in business models this will be something that becomes more important.

Cash out at the top: Some people are concerned about the market changing directions, so we’ll see certain owners try to cash out at the top so to speak. I’m not saying we’re at the top of a price cycle. I’m only saying some people think the pandemic has pushed us or will push us into a new price cycle.

Downsize & Upsize: There are households in need of more space because they’ve learned their home is too small. In contrast, maybe it’s time for some to sell, buy a smaller home, and pocket cash (or invest in hand sanitizer and toilet paper).

Gardens: It seems like everyone and their Mom is either baking bread or starting a garden (except for my house). Thus I expect to see more gardens in coming time when visiting properties. The other day someone asked me if a one-acre parcel would now be more appealing because of all the extra space to start an urban farm. Well, in my mind most people are not looking to have a garden of that magnitude.

No effect at all: Let’s be real that lots of people will come out of this not doing anything differently.

Other: What else? I’d love to hear your take in the comments.

Okay, moving on.

FRESH STATS: 

Like I said last week, buyers are starting to get more used to this market, and this week it looks like pending contracts are on pace again to outpace the previous week (we’ll know more in a few days).

RESOURCES:

New market video: Here’s a fresh market update. It’s 20 minutes and I talk about the future (NOT a prediction video). Check it out below or here.

SAR market event (free): On Monday May 4th at 10am I’m doing a free big market update with the Sacramento Association of Realtors. This will be about an hour and it’s for anyone (not just members). Register here.

Videos this week: I’ve been doing lots of video conversations lately. I figured I would post the recorded ones here in case anyone wants to listen.

4/22/2020 Conversation with Madison Chase Team
4/24/2020 Conversation with Rico Rivera
4/24/2020 Conversation with Jenica Williams
4/27/2020 Conversation with Kristin Cooper

Appraiser John Carlson GoFundMe: John is a well-known appraiser in Southern California and he is going through a difficult time as he was diagnosed with cancer and hospitalized. I invite you to pray for him and donate if you can. See more here.

I hope this was interesting or helpful. Thanks for being here.

Questions: How do you think quarantining will shape buyers and sellers? What else would you add to the list? What did I miss?

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