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That place where insurance & real estate collide

March 19, 2019 By Ryan Lundquist 19 Comments

Insurance can make a huge difference in a real estate market. We don’t often think much about this, but it’s something to watch in areas of California where we’re seeing insurers pull out of the market in light of disastrous fires. This is a big deal, so let’s talk about it.

Today I’m doing a Q&A with Eric Carlson who manages two Lyon Real Estate offices in Placerville and Cameron Park. I was talking with Eric about this recently and figured it would make for a helpful blog post. After all, this is a dynamic affecting real people right now.

Ryan: What’s happening with insurance costs in El Dorado County?

Eric: With all the recent wildfires in California over the past few years, and especially the Paradise and Malibu fires, insurance companies are rapidly pulling out of areas like El Dorado County with their fire insurance, or even their full coverage. In most cases they will still insure the structure and contents, but for the vast majority it’s really hard to get the fire insurance component.

Ryan: El Dorado County is a 2+ hour drive from the Town of Paradise, but what happened there is affecting the local market?

Eric: Yes.

Ryan: Why does fire insurance even matter for real estate?

Eric: Lenders won’t close on a property without fire insurance. It’s something they tend to require.

Ryan: How are buyers getting insurance if big companies are backing out?

Eric: It’s now very common that buyers (and even some existing homeowners that got cancelled) have to go with the California Fair Plan for their fire insurance. This type of insurance is basically a last-resort policy available in California that is often used when someone has not been able to obtain insurance. Fun fact about the Fair Plan… It has already been announced they are raising their fee 10% to 20% on April 1st.

Ryan: What type of rates have you seen your clients quoted lately?

Eric: For insurance companies that are still insuring, it’s super high. We’ve had some quotes come back for like $8,000, $14,000, and even $20,000 for the year. And that’s just for the fire insurance component… It doesn’t include all the other additional insurance for the structure, contents, etc. For now, it seems that a “typical” home, like a 3-ish bed, 2-ish bath home of 2,000 square feet or less, on 2-10 acres will pay about $4,000 per year for the California Fair Plan.

Ryan: What effect have you seen in the market due to these changes?

Eric: Additional insurance costs have scared away some buyers from buying in our rural area. Buyers have actually said that to my agents. They don’t want to pay an additional $300 to $400 per month for not-so-stellar fire insurance. Other buyers have put a hold on the rural property search/move until the insurance companies decide what the long-term plan is. As you know, added costs to a purchase can lessen desirability and/or affordability. And now there is that feeling of it being a “risky purchase” if a fire like the one in Paradise were to come through our part of El Dorado County. We actually had one seller credit the buyer about $25,000 so the buyer could get two years of insurance.

Ryan: Are you seeing this throughout El Dorado County?

Eric: We don’t see this happening in El Dorado Hills. But it starts in Cameron Park/Shingle Springs and carries up to Pollock Pines, and from Georgetown down to Somerset. Strangely, most of Grizzly Flats is not impacted. I’m told because of a great fire station there that can take care of the immediate town. But as some of our buyers are finding out, it applies to all homes in California on multiple acres with brush, slopes, dense foliage, trees, dry grass, etc. It’s not just our county; it’s all counties like us.

Ryan: Any closing advice for buyers right now?

Eric: Yes, I have three things: 1) Consult a few insurance agents to get a handful of quotes so you can compare rates; 2) If you can, try to use a local insurance agent in the county you’re buying in. Locals tend to be more in tune to what is going on with issues in your county and can better serve you; and 3) Talk to those insurance agents very early on in your home hunt. They can give you some general estimates while you’re searching (they’ll need a specific address to give an accurate quote), but as soon as you make an offer on a home and get into contract, immediately get specific quotes for insurance for that property. Don’t wait until your inspection contingency period is almost over. Both you and your lender will want to know those insurance costs of your future home as soon as possible.

Ryan: Thanks so much Eric. This was very helpful. You killed it.

QUICK TAKEAWAYS:

1) It’s NOT just about supply & demand: New laws, taxes, regulations, and changing business dynamics can affect prices and affordability in a market. It’s never just about supply and demand.

2) Different factors in different locations: The market isn’t the same everywhere, so it’s key to understand what factors are affecting a local area.

3) Uncertainty in the market: There is an element of uncertainty right now with changing insurance costs. This is definitely something that can constrain prices over time because it gets much more expensive to own property.

Market Update Video: In case it’s useful, here’s a market update video. It’s about ten minutes and I walk through some of the bigger trends right now with prices, sales volume, and momentum. My goal is to help explain what’s happening and give some different ways to look at the market. Enjoy.

Question: How have you seen insurance issues affect a market? Also, if you live in an area with increased costs, please share your story.

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Things to know about appraisals after a disastrous fire

August 8, 2018 By Ryan Lundquist 25 Comments

It’s been an utterly devastating fire season in California, so I wanted to talk about what happens on the appraisal side of things after such a disaster. This isn’t something that people ever think about until they have to, but now is one of those times. I figured this would help home owners with questions and it would help give real estate professionals a resource to dig deeper.

Today I’m interviewing Penny Woods, an appraiser colleague based out of Pleasanton CA with 30 years of experience (see bio below). Penny knows her stuff and she has vast experience with post-disaster appraisals.

Ryan: Tell us about your experience with post-disaster appraisals.

Penny: In October 1991 the Oakland firestorm totally destroyed 2,800+ single family homes and an additional 400+ townhomes. I worked for an appraisal fee office that had a major insurance company as a client with over 500 total loss properties. For the next 7+ months one other appraiser and I did nothing but retrospective fair market valuations for structures that were completely destroyed. At that time, insurance policies were written and paid out on “Market Value”, but this fire changed that. Now they are written and pay out based on “Replacement Cost”.

Ryan: When is an appraisal ordered after a disaster?

Penny: Appraisals after a disaster can be ordered at different times for different reasons. When it is safe to return to the fire damaged property the insurance company will start the process to get their replacement cost (Cost Approach) valuation. Additional appraisals may be needed by the property owner following the insurance company’s initial replacement cost valuation for: property tax assessment reductions, to challenge/rebut the insurance valuation, IRS causality loss tax claims, or for other types of civil litigation.

Ryan: How does an appraiser value a home if it is no longer there?

Penny: As with any retrospective valuation, some of the research is exactly what the appraiser would do for any assignment and some of it is very different. Data sources include: public tax records; planning department plans and permits; old MLS listings; the lender may be willing to provide an old appraisal, the data collected by the insurance company, an in-depth talk with the property owner; and don’t forget family photos! Yes family photos are usually still available at the homes of grandparents, aunts & uncles, and family friends. You’d be amazed how much information is available in a photo from Johnny’s birthday party or a holiday dinner.

Ryan: What date of value is used during the appraisal?

Penny: The initial appraisal is a retrospective valuation, which means the value is usually for the day immediately before the fire loss. Any subsequent appraisals may use the same retrospective date or post fire dates depending on the use/purpose of the valuation. An appraisal for a property tax reassessment would use a date after the property had been damaged. This could be the day after the fire or a more current date depending on the assessment dates. To challenge/rebut the insurance company’s valuation would require the same retrospective valuation date used by the insurance company. If the property owner needed to provide information to the IRS for a casualty loss claim there would be 2 valuations, “immediately before” and “immediately after”. The IRS “immediately before” value is the retrospective before the fire and the “immediately after” date can mean up to 2 years from the date of the loss to allow for time for the general clean up and/or recovery. If there was additional civil litigation the date or dates would be specific to the cause of action.

Ryan: What type of information does the owner need to provide to the appraiser?

Penny: As much as possible!!! Appraisers, for you to be able to complete a credible appraisal you need to have as much information from the property owners as they can provide. This could be a difficult process because you will be working with people who are in a very emotional situation. Be patient, and professional. Understand that if you are doing a lot of this type of work it may also become a very emotional and/or stressful situation for you too.

Ryan: Does the appraiser focus on the value of the structure or the land too? In other words, what is the insurance company really asking for?

Penny: The insurance company is looking for the value of the onsite structures that have been destroyed. The land is still there and not insured so the insurance company only wants the value of the structures. With the other types of valuation assignments we have been discussing it is a case by case situation, some will need separate land valuations and some won’t.

Ryan: What did you see happen to the market in Oakland during the big fire in the 90s? Did it collapse, stall, decline, etc…?

Penny: The Oakland fire occurred in October of 1991. This was a time throughout the country where the economy was in a decline. In the Bay Area the decline could be tracked from the Loma Prieta earthquake in October 1989 and continued through the mid 1990’s. It is difficult to say how much of the decline that occurred in the Oakland and Berkeley Hills was directly related to the fire and how much was the overall declining market trends. There was also a unique situation where the majority of the properties that before the fire had nice wooded views or little “peeks” of the San Francisco Bay suddenly had partial to full bay views! That alone increased the value of these properties. It was a slow process to rebuild, a total of 700 permits for new construction had been issued 1 year later and none of them had actually started to build. Again some of that could certainly be attributed to the overall economy. I believe that each market will react differently depending on the extent of devastation and the specific economy of the surrounding area.

Ryan: Any advice you’d give to owners who just lost a home?

Penny: While your life is certainly disrupted beyond most of our imaginations, don’t rush! Be sure you know what all of your options are before taking any major steps. Consult professionals in each of the fields where you have questions and need information and help.

Ryan: Any advice for appraisers too?

Penny: These disasters could be a large source of potential business. You must first remember that you are benefiting from other people’s major losses, so always be as professional as possible! Not every appraiser has the temperament to take on this type of work, but it can also be very rewarding helping the fire survivors rebuild their lives even if it doesn’t involve a move to a different location.

Ryan: Thanks so much for doing the interview. You killed it. Everyone, if you need an appraiser in Penny’s area, please reach out to her.

Penny’s Bio: B. Penny Woods, owner of BPW Appraisal & Realty Service based in Pleasanton, CA, has been working as an appraiser for the past 30 years, coming from a background of property management and real estate sales. She got her start in appraising by working for a fee appraisal firm; obtaining appraisal experience with both residential and small commercial properties. In 1994 she started her own firm and now does only residential appraisal work. Penny specializes in the unique and unusual properties, completing assignments for lender financing, probate, divorce, estate planning, litigation & expert witness testimony, earth movement, fire damage, and insurance claims. Penny’s phone #: 925-485-0641

I hope this was helpful and interesting.

Questions: Do you have any questions? Any stories to share? How have you seen the market change after a fire or disaster? I’d love to hear your take.

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The emerging trend of storage container homes (Q&A)

June 20, 2018 By Ryan Lundquist 15 Comments

Storage container units are all the rage on HGTV, but they’re starting to pop up in real life too. So let’s talk about them. Today I have an interview with James Roberts who handles design and engineering at TAYNR, a container home builder in Sacramento. I hope this will be insightful and interesting. Anything to add? Let’s talk in the comments.

Ryan: What got you into the storage container business?

James: I first became aware of “shipping containers” when I was a Signalman in the US NAVY. Seeing them in different commercial ports was common. After the NAVY I moved to Miami Beach where I met Sujan (Project Manager at TAYNR), and we would see shipping containers on large cargo ships, cruising in and out of the Miami Port all the time. But Denmark was the first container build I ever saw. And then London had container condos and a shopping center. Thailand, Laos, Korea Japan, Mexico, Costa Rica, Brazil all have many small pop-up businesses, single family homes and commercial buildings. During recent visits to China and Hong Kong, I saw new construction sites with 100s of containers modified for worker housing.

Ryan: What type of buildings can you make out of containers?

James: The possibilities are endless. The ISBU (Intermodal Steel Building Unit), the shipping container, is manufactured to carry heavy cargo of all kinds, to be stacked, and withstand extreme weather conditions while being transported across the seas. With that said, they are incredibly strong, and if modified correctly, they can be used for an endless amount of structures. Australia has been using containers for housing and commercial structures for 40+ years. America has recently (+/-10 years) started to use this building method for single family and multi-family homes, commercial store fronts, popup food stations, business marketing structures, etc. The worker housing units would be an excellent source for all means for temporary housing in the US. Emergency, migrant, farm, homeless, camping, etc. The list can go on.

Ryan: What is the maximum number on stories you can do?

James: They are manufactured to stack on top with the weight bearing on the four corner posts. It is common to see them free-standing 6 boxes high at the port. This is without reinforcement or anything securing them together. You can imagine that with additional engineering and structural support, this could easily be doubled, possibly tripled.

Ryan: Tell me about the accessory unit you built in Oak Park (the blue unit below).

James: Matt and Jamie Leonardo contacted me in late 2016. They bought their Oak Park home a few years before and had worked up some equity. Originally there was a non-permitted home along the back alley way that had to be torn down in order for their loan to be approved. Replacing this structure for a revenue generating dwelling was pretty much in the plan from the beginning. I do not remember where/why they decided to build with a shipping container, but we met, discussed a plan and moved forward. This home will actually be showcased on an upcoming episode of You Live In What, premiering June 29th at 9 pm on Great American Country Network (GAC), an HGTV affiliate.

Ryan: Do units get extra hot on the inside because of the steel exterior?

James: No, our units are meant to perform extremely efficient by design. By nature, corten steel will absorb the heat from the sun. This is a factor that is taken into consideration from the beginning and we have many different ways to address this. For instance, the Oak Park container home is insulated on the inside and has reflective paint on the outside. Also, a weather barrier and facade were installed on the exterior of the container to allow for a 6?+ thermal break. The roof has a 3:12 sloped standing seam roof with 3’6? eves to provide additional shade along with the insulation and weather barrier laid out inside the roofline, and it has 2 mini-split for heating and air.

Ryan: What type of units do you find most clients are asking for these days?

James: Our highest demand for individuals is an ADU (Accessory Dwelling Unit) that can be installed in existing backyards for in-law quarters, guest homes, or as a rental unit to capture additional income. The TAYNR models are designed to be “building blocks” offering both 20′ and 40′ multi-block models. 1, 2 & 3 bedroom units with 1 or 2 baths.

Ryan: How long does it take to install an ADU?

James: Foundations can be installed in 1 day, and installation of the ADU is typically 5-10 business days depending in the model size.

Ryan: Is it fairly easy to get a storage container unit permitted?

James: “Easy” is absolutely not how would describe it. However, because we have our pre-designed models and engineering understood, this does simplify our process.

Ryan: Do you know if there is a limit to how many units can be added in a backyard?

James: Any residential lot in California can have one ADU as long as the property setbacks and design review conditions can be met. So far the only issue I have run into is physical access, which TAYNR now offers an alternative modular product that can usually meet this conflict.

Ryan: Have you found some areas not willing to allow containers because of design restrictions?

James: Usually this is due to the City/County design review. Some areas require the ADU be cohesive with the existing structure. As long as budget allows, this is not an issue because we can design a facade to satisfy this point.

Ryan: So far I’m not aware of any stand-alone single family container units in Sacramento. Have you heard about any yet?

James: There currently is not a stand-alone unit in Sacramento. Stay tuned… we have one in the works.

Ryan: What are the costs like for a storage container accessory unit?

James: Models and pricing are listed on our website (here).

Ryan: Are permit fees any different for containers compared to stick-built homes?

James: No, they are not. Our builds are required to meet the same building codes and are permitted the same as a traditional build.

Ryan: Anything else you want to add?

James: One of the biggest misconceptions is that building with containers is “cheap”. This is not the case. Although there are absolute savings if the build process is followed properly. Meaning, the onsite work should be performed while the ADU is being built in the factory, so the overall start-to-finish construction is significantly reduced, saving you a lot in labor cost.

Ryan: Thanks for doing the interview. You killed it. Everyone, please check out TAYNR’s website. All photos in this post are TAYNR projects (images are property of TAYNR).

CLOSING APPRAISAL THOUGHTS: Container homes are an emerging trend in the market, so it’s important to stay in tune with this phenomenon. I’m excited to hear TAYNR is building a stand-alone home too because that’s not something the market has seen yet. It’s worth noting one of the struggles with stand-alone container homes is the potential of financing hurdles: 1) The unit might not be large enough in size in the eyes of the lender; and 2) A lender might ask an appraiser to use container comps to show the market accepts this type of property. Well, right now there aren’t any comps (yet). But the market is craving alternative products like this, so lenders over time will hopefully adapt to this emerging trend.

Questions: What do you think of container homes? Any insight or stories to share? Loan officers, any tips on financing? I’d love to hear your take.

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The rage of modern homes in real estate

August 23, 2017 By Ryan Lundquist 11 Comments

Modern homes are all the rage in real estate. I don’t know about you, but I’m seeing them pop up not only in Sacramento, but in many markets throughout the United States. So today I wanted to interview Ted DeFazio, a local real estate agent who specializes in these types of homes. I hope this will be valuable and interesting. Any thoughts?

Ryan: What is a modern home? And what is NOT a modern home?

Ted: The way I describe a modern style home would be the use of clean lines, lack of ornate detailing, open feel, in many cases vaulted ceilings, merging of indoor and outdoor spaces with a combination of large windows and doors and usually has a post and beam angled, commercial style flat or simple gable roof lines. Some homes will have a combination of all three. Carports and clerestory windows (starting beyond the header and into the roof line) are often a trademark of the modern style as well.

Ryan: So how do you describe that home with a few modern upgrades?

Ted: There are a lot of homes that would be considered contemporary and not full on modern. But I think this is all very subjective and up to interpretation. For instance, a ranch home that has had a modern style kitchen remodel with flat front cabinetry and minimalistic touches might feel modern but is it a modern home? I think the architecture from the front elevation and finishes through to the back yard would have to reflect that same style in order to be considered a true modern home. I remember a home in Granite Bay that was a mix of styles with some very modern and some very traditional details. Did it work? Sure. Was it a little confused? Yes.

Ryan: What is the difference between modern and mid-century modern?

Ted: Mid century modern would be homes built in the 1950-1970s era. Eichler style and many Carter Sparks designed (built by Streng Bros) homes fit this style to a T. They are mostly post and beam architecture and have that unique, classic style. Dramatic entry ways and striking front elevations sometimes devoid of regular height windows, carports instead of conventional garages, exposed concrete hallways, flat front cabinetry, skylights, atriums, courtyards, aluminum windows and large sliding glass doors and clerestory windows are all signatures of this style.

Ryan: Do modern homes have to be newer in age?

Ted: Modern style homes are not exclusive to a decade. There are new homes being built in a modern style today. There are some great examples in the Sierra Oaks, Wilhaggin and Downtown Sacramento neighborhoods. Some homes combine styles like say a modern craftsman or modern prairie style.

Ryan: Why do you think modern homes are showing up more and more in Sacramento and beyond?

Ted: The average buyer in Sacramento is getting more sophisticated and open to different styles of architecture. We are slowly shedding the “country bumpkin” label as a city. I think the influx of Bay Area buyers is also pushing the design landscape into a more modern feel. Is it a trend? Probably. But the farther we get away from faking Tuscan style, the better. Some people want to be different and living in modern architecture definitely makes a statement. Some buyers might have grown up in a Streng or Eichler style and want to get back to the feeling of living in one again.

There was a time when modern Streng Bros homes were difficult to sell and earned such descriptions as 70’s architecture or flat-tops. I created SacModern.com to help highlight the many modern and contemporary homes on the market. Give them a stage, in a way. And try to describe them using terms true to their respective styles. I have sold homes to many out of towners through the state who find that Sacramento as a region has a lot of cool architecture. Not only is there a great selection of modern properties but they are cheap compared to the larger metro areas the buyers are coming from.

Ryan: What do buyers of modern homes tend to look for?

Ted: Open concept living, striking architecture, outdoor privacy, creative inspiring spaces and a place to show off their vintage furniture collection. Your home can be seen as an extension of your personality. Someone that is more reserved might want a more buttoned down traditional home whereas a flamboyant or eccentric type might seek something radical or different than the norm as far as design goes.

Ryan: Any tips for valuing modern properties?

Ted: Typically, a modern home will sell for more than the traditional style home down the street with the same square footage. Maybe it’s a premium for the architecture, the special finishes or the time that went into designing the home. I usually ask the appraiser if they are familiar with the style before they meet me at the property just to make sure they understand the unique qualities. In the Bay Area, the modern neighborhoods are becoming historical areas, protected from demolition or odd style-killing remodels. Because the Bay Area usually has a ripple effect in Sacramento, this might be coming down the pipe for our area.

Ryan: Anything else you want to add?

Ted: Some of these styles do better in different areas. In El Dorado Hills for instance, modern is a tougher sell than in a more city-centric area. I find that the farther away from Downtown Sacramento you are, the harder it will be to sell modern style architecture. My Gary Way listing in Carmichael would’ve been sold a lot faster if it was closer to downtown. Is this due to the demographics that typically buy these homes? Not sure. But I have seen it quite often. Professionals and creatives alike are drawn to the modern style. These types tend to work in and around the core and see a suburban commute as a huge negative.

Ryan: Thanks so much for doing the interview. You killed it. Everyone, you can check out Ted’s website here.

Closing appraisal thoughts: My observation is many modern and mid-century modern homes carry a wider appeal, so it’s important to not just choose three ranch homes in the neighborhood for comparison. This means in many cases we might have to go out a little further and find something that is architecturally similar (and in a competitive area hopefully too). For instance, I appraised a Mid-Century Modern home in Fair Oaks recently and I pulled comps from various portions of Fair Oaks and Carmichael because of the custom nature of the property. I couldn’t just keep it nice and tight in the immediate area because the market area was simply wider for these types of properties.

Questions: What do you think of modern homes? Where are you seeing modern homes pop up? Do you think they sell for more than traditional ranch homes? I’d love to hear your take.

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