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The invasion of tech companies in real estate

July 30, 2019 By Ryan Lundquist 28 Comments

Tech companies want a piece of the real estate pie. Amazon. Zillow. Opendoor. Rex. It seems like every week there’s a new company announcing its venture into the game. Here are some things swirling through my mind as I think critically about this trend.

1) Stress & real estate hold hands: Tech companies talk about real estate like it’s as easy as the click of a button, but it’s complicated because humans are involved. There are real people trying to negotiate, advocate for their interests, and navigate complexities in the housing market. Can we make things less stressful? I sure hope so. But are real estate transactions innately stressful because of all the moving parts? Probably.

2) The obsession with speed: There is space for escrows to be faster as tech firms say, but I hope we don’t lose sight of the importance of time. It’s okay to have space for necessary inspections, negotiation based on those inspections, and a reasonable contingency period so buyers and sellers are sure about their decision. There’s this idea that real estate should be instantaneous, and maybe one of these days it will be on the blockchain, but mistakes are easy to make if we go too fast. On that note, let’s be cautious about expecting too much from appraisers in this climate because speed can water down quality. Do you know what we need more than fast appraisals? Reliable appraisals.

3) The fine print: A company like Opendoor or Zillow can offer to buy a house at a price that seems reasonable on paper, but it can quickly become low when money for repairs is skimmed off the top – not to mention a higher commission than what is being paid during public sales on MLS. This is where sellers need to weigh how much they’re going to net with a tech company’s offer.

4) The narrative of convenience: Big brands are trying to capture consumers with the idea of making transactions easier. This sounds amazing and consumers certainly want convenience, but in my mind the bigger issue is money. Sellers want the highest price possible and buyers want to pay the least amount possible. I wonder at times if this idea is getting lost in the midst of clever marketing. Or are we as a society starting to value convenience more than anything? To be fair there is a segment of the market that will sacrifice profit for the sake of convenience. How much of the population will do this? We’ll see. The market gets to decide.

5) Models change: We no longer go to Blockbuster to rent videos, we use Google Maps instead of the Thomas Guide, and when booking a vacation most of us don’t use a travel agent. Thus when it comes to real estate, let’s expect to see change in the future. I’m not saying tech companies are going to take over and humans will lose to Skynet (a Terminator reference). But for anyone working in real estate, it’s a good idea to watch this trend, listen closely to the narrative being spun, show your value to consumers, and try to think ahead of the trend so you can position yourself for the future.

Anyway, that’s what’s on my mind. I hope that was helpful or interesting.

Bubble story on CBS: Yesterday I was interviewed for a piece on CBS Sacramento about Sacramento home prices being similar to the peak in 2005. Check it out if you wish. One quick note. The reporter said, “Have no fear” in the story. I wanted to clarify that those were not my words.

Questions: Which point resonates with you most? What did I miss? What are you most and least excited about with tech companies in real estate?

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Two things to understand about Zillow’s accuracy rate

May 1, 2019 By Ryan Lundquist 35 Comments

How does Zillow’s accuracy rate work? Let’s talk about two important points. I’m not writing because I’m angry, but only because the public places enormous trust in this brand, and I see this accuracy rate quoted everywhere. Well, let’s at least know the fine print so we can have informed conversations.

Two quick points on Zillow’s accuracy rate:

1) Median makes all the difference: Zillow says their median error rate is 5% for the United States. That sounds impressive, but we have to realize this is a MEDIAN error rate, which means the Zestimate is within 5% of the purchase price only half the time. So Zillow’s slogan could be, “We’re within 5% half the time.” But that doesn’t sound as polished as “Our median error rate is 5%”.

2) Zillow uses the most recent Zestimate: This is such an important point – even if it feels a little technical. I have an example to help show what I mean too. Zillow states “Zestimate accuracy is computed by comparing the final sale price to the Zestimate on or before the sale date.” Let me show you why this matters.

An example: Imagine a property listed for $380,000 and the Zestimate was also $380,000. But then after a series of price reductions, the home sold for $350,000. That would be 8 percent lower than the original Zestimate. That’s not very good, right? Well, now imagine as the list price was reduced, so was the Zestimate, and the most recent Zestimate was $353,000, which is only 1 percent higher than what the property sold for. Here’s the kicker: The home may have sold for 8 percent below the original Zestimate, but for its accuracy rate Zillow can claim 1 percent because it uses the most recent Zestimate instead of the original one.

In short, the most accurate stat here would be 8%. After all, the home literally sold 8% lower than what Zillow said it was worth. Thus when Zillow uses the most recent Zestimate instead, it’s a clever way to get much sexier stats.

One more thing.

Chasing the List Price & Fixer Upper TV show: What sort of effect does the list price have on the Zestimate? In other words, does the list price actually change Zillow’s value? This might not happen in all cases, but here’s a glaring example of the “shotgun” house from the TV show Fixer Upper. It’s a one-bedroom that was listed for $950,000 and didn’t end up selling.

In this example the list price was outrageously high, but Zillow’s algorithm looks to have simply matched the Zestimate to the list price. This might not happen in all cases, but it certainly did here.

I hope that was interesting or helpful.

Article I wrote: Here’s a piece I wrote about online valuation sites for Comstock’s Magazine last month.

CLASS I’M TEACHING: I’m doing my favorite class at SAR on May 28th from 9am-12pm called “How to Think Like an Appraiser.” Sign up here.

Questions: What do you think? Anything else to add?

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6 ways buyers have changed since the housing bubble

September 25, 2018 By Ryan Lundquist 16 Comments

There’s lots of focus on how home prices have changed since the previous “bubble”, but let’s talk about how buyers have changed. Here’s some observations. What else have you noticed?

1) More picky: During the previous housing “bubble” buyers seemed so desperate to purchase that they pulled the trigger on about anything, but they’re much more discerning these days. Of course let’s remember underwriting has changed dramatically though too. In the past many properties flew through the loan process without hardly any scrutiny, but lenders today are incredibly strict, which has certainly propelled a more picky feeling in the market.

2) More patient: Despite a housing shortage buyers aren’t willing to pull the trigger on junk. They’re simply more patient for the right house and they want to make an informed purchase (and even feel like they’re getting a good deal where possible too).

3) More informed: Just as the “bubble” began to pop we had companies like Zillow and Redfin coming to the forefront. Well, now they are household names and buyers are basically obsessed. Seriously, buyers scour these sites day and night, and they know about every single new listing, price reduction, and sale. This doesn’t mean buyers don’t make value mistakes still, but it does mean they are more informed than EVER about prices. At the same time, guess who is not looking at Zillow as much? Sellers. This is a huge issue because it means sellers are not as in tune with the market these days, which means they’re prone to overprice.

4) Financial mistakes: Buyers remember the pain of financial turmoil in the past, so they’re sensitive to repeating mistakes. For instance, I talked with a buyer considering purchasing the highest-priced listing in a neighborhood, but he’s concerned we’re at the top of the market. This buyer asked, “If a buy right now and the market turns, would it be possible I’d have to hold on to the house for 10 years before values come back?”

5) Higher expectations about condition: These days buyers have higher expectations about homes being in good condition. In other words they are much more picky about properties that are not in “move-in” shape or upgraded. Wait, there aren’t granite counters? What the? There could be many reasons for this, but I think heightened investor flipping activity played a huge role. In a fairly short period of time investors had a gluttonous real estate feast by purchasing an avalanche of bank-owned homes, rehabbing them, and selling them. This helped quickly upgrade the housing stock, and also widen the price gap in some areas. What I mean is values used to be very tight together as you can see in the graph below, but now the price spectrum is simply wider since buyers are willing to pay more for rehabbed homes in today’s market. I’m not saying this dynamic is in every neighborhood, but I definitely see it in quite a few areas.

6) Less cash-out refinances: Everyone and their Mom had a boat before the “bubble” burst because people were using their house like an ATM to buy toys. Well, today we don’t have that dynamic (image from Leonard Kiefer). Home owners are clearly cashing out less, which makes them sound financially wise, but let’s realize lending guidelines have changed to make it more difficult to ATM your house. Moreover, many owners are sitting on 3% interest rates, so why the heck would they trade pulling out cash for a much higher rate?

NOTE: I updated this post with “more informed” above after Peter left a stellar comment (thanks). This is such a big point. I can’t believe I didn’t mention it while writing this, but it didn’t come to mind at the moment. The irony is I’ve been talking about this in other posts and in person so much lately. Ha. Well, it’s fixed now.

I hope that was interesting or helpful.

MARKET UPDATE VIDEO: A few days back I did a screencast to talk through trends. Lots of people are wondering if the market is tanking or softening, so I wanted to pitch in two cents. Well, the video is actually 20 minutes (there’s lots to say). Anyway, give it a view if you’d like here (or below).

SPEAKING GIGS: If you’re around, I’m doing a blogging class on October 11th at SAR. I’ll be speaking at the AI’s 2018 Fall Conference in San Francisco on October 19th and AppraiserFest in San Antonio on Nov 1-3.

Questions: What else do you think has changed about buyers since the “bubble” burst? Any stories to share? I’d love to hear your take.

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Is the public trusting Zillow too much?

September 18, 2018 By Ryan Lundquist 54 Comments

I don’t have an axe to grind. I’m not angry. And I’m not worried about Zillow replacing my job. I am concerned about the public trusting Zillow way too much though, so I wanted to share an eye-opening “Zestimate” example to help create conversation. Please give it a read and let’s talk in the comments.

Here’s the Zestimate history of a single family home in Carmichael, CA. I’ve been following this property for the past two months.

1) OVERPRICED: This home was originally overpriced in MLS at $380,000 and the Zestimate happened to be $380,414 when the home listed for sale.

2) PRICE & ZESTIMATE REDUCTION: The price was reduced to $335,000 in MLS and very soon after the Zestimate was changed to $346,364. Seeing this definitely gave me pause and made me wonder how much weight Zillow’s algorithm gives to the list price. Does it usually match the list price when a property is first listed? How much do price changes affect the Zestimate? These are reasonable questions. By the way, I shared about this house on Twitter and Inman News included it in a story.

3) ZILLOW DIDN’T GIVE MUCH WEIGHT TO THE SALES PRICE: The property sold at $350,000 eventually, but then Zillow’s estimate said the property was worth $327,960 after the property recorded at $350,000. So it looks like Zillow’s algorithm did not automatically give strong weight to the actual sales price.

4) ZESTIMATE DECLINES 8% IN 30 DAYS: Despite selling at $350,000 one month ago, Zillow now says this property is worth $301,972, which is a whopping 14% less than it actually sold for last month. Moreover, in just 30 days Zillow states the value of this home has gone from $327,960 to $301,972, which is an 8% loss in value. Did the market really decline by 8% this past month?

ZILLOW’S TRENDS ARE OUT OF SYNC: I can’t speak for every property listed on Zillow, but the Zestimate history in this case is definitely out of sync with the market in Carmichael. Values are certainly softening for the season like I talked about last week, but a decline of 8% in 30 days is simply not accurate. Look at the trend line in my graph that shows the market balancing out, and then look at the Zestimate connected by dots. That’s a huge difference in direction, right? Obviously Zillow hasn’t been inside this house, so we can give grace to an algorithm not knowing the full picture of value for an individual property, but to say the market has dropped by 8% is just inaccurate (and you don’t need to go inside a house to know that).

QUICK STUFF ON MY MIND:

1) It’s not just a “ballpark” for consumers: Despite Zillow touting itself as a “ballpark” valuation or starting point for consumers, many people treat it like a definitive value. Bottom line.

2) Blind trust: I find many consumers trust Zillow without thinking too much about accuracy. I don’t say this to be insulting, but there is a deep trust with this brand right now without many questions being asked. My advice? Think critically about examples like I showed above before you trust with all your heart.

3) Pricing according to Zillow: Many sellers are growing disconnected from the real market lately and they’re prone to overprice. Having sensational real estate headlines for six years is definitely one of the reasons why this is happening, but I think some of it comes down to consumers having more information than ever about prices and value. The struggle is when sellers feel so strongly that a Zestimate is legitimate that they aren’t willing to price below it or hear pricing suggestions from others. My advice? Listen to the market around you as well as real estate professionals. Don’t get so caught up in a Zestimate that you cannot see anything else.

4) Feeling stressed: I had a friend who used to get stressed out when his Zestimate would dip. He has since passed away, but I can only imagine how he’d feel about an 8% price decline in 30 days if that’s what Zillow said about his home. He’d be freaking out, and the truth is he wouldn’t be alone because there are lots of people who think of Zillow as way more than just a “ballpark”. In short, I recommend being careful about letting a website’s value claim affect your mood or even your real estate decisions. By the way, the New York Time’s wrote a piece last week called Why Zillow Addicts Can’t Look Away.

I hope that was interesting or helpful.

SPEAKING GIGS: By the way, if you’re around, I’ll be speaking at the Appraisal Institute’s 2018 Fall Conference in San Francisco on October 19th and AppraiserFest in San Antonio on Nov 1-3. I’m also doing a real estate blogging class locally on October 11th at SAR. Just a heads-up.

Questions: What do you think of Zillow? Is the public trusting this website and brand too much? Any stories to share?

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