It’s easy to make idols out of athletes and celebrities, but who are the real heroes? I’m not saying sports figures and musicians can’t be worthy of respect and admiration, but in my book the most heroic people I know are normal everyday individuals walking out the grind of life – yet living out a sense of vision to make a difference. This is exactly who Amanda Dodd is, and I wanted to interview her because she is doing amazing work in the Oak Park neighborhood of Sacramento.
Several years ago Amanda started a volunteer effort called Neighbors Without Borders, which removes front yard chain link fences for the sake of beautifying the neighborhood. You might think chain link fences have no effect on real estate, but read The verdict on chain link fences and property value. Moreover, ask yourself when the last time was you saw a builder install chain link fencing in a tract home subdivision. If you really want to go deeper, check out a study of Diggs Town Public Housing to see the power of a focus on traditional neighborhood design. This isn’t about judging anyone who has a certain type of fence, but only highlighting the reality that the way a neighborhood looks tends to say something. Right or wrong, outsiders will judge whether a community is safe or even pleasant by its appearance.
Enjoy the interview and be inspired. What do you think of Amanda’s work?
Ryan: First off, Amanda, why don’t you introduce yourself. Who are you and what do you do?
Amanda: I’m a resident of Oak Park, Wife, Mom of a 1 year old little boy, and Clinical Social Worker who works part-time in Private Practice.
Ryan: How long have you lived in Oak Park?
Amanda: I’ve lived in Oak Park for 6 years
Ryan: What do you like most about the neighborhood?
Amanda: I love the architecture–the Bungalows, Victorians, and history of the area. I love that I can walk to the post office and mail a letter, or walk through beautiful McClatchy Park on my way to the bank. The diversity here is amazing, and there is a huge sense of community unlike anywhere else. People are so involved and the energy is contagious.
Ryan: Explain what your project is and how it began.
Amanda: When I moved to Oak Park in 2008, the first thing I noticed was how friendly and open people were. One neighbor was dropping vegetables off on my porch, people were waving hi to each other and stopping to talk…this was in stark contrast where I moved from. In Natomas, the yards were well-manicured and front yards were open, but I never met any neighbors in 4 years of living there. In Oak Park, however, people were so open and friendly, yet my street was covered in chain link and iron fences in front of almost every house. The irony was not lost on me. I noticed that the beautiful architecture of these hundred-old houses was covered up and hidden behind street after street of chain link and metal. It was so sad to me that the true beauty of the neighborhood, besides the people who reside here, would be covered up like that. So, I researched other cities such as Toronto and Boston who have done fence removal projects in certain neighborhoods, and they reported a decrease in crime, and an increase in sense of community. I wanted to do that here too.
Ryan: What is your role in the project, and who else volunteers?
Amanda: I came up with the idea of Neighbors Without Borders five years ago, and didn’t get much support around it. Then this past year, decided to try and resurrect it. I came together with a committee and we talked about how to get the idea out there, and we educated ourselves on how to take down fences. We removed about five this summer. Victor Duron is my co-partner and has been an essential part of this process. I couldn’t have done it without his support.
Ryan: Did you ever imagine you’d be doing this?
Amanda: I think I’ve always had a mindset toward change. I’m a social worker by nature, and when I see something that can be better, I want to get my hands dirty and go there.
Ryan: Why is removing chain link fencing a big deal for the neighborhood?
Amanda: There is nothing necessarily wrong with having a chain link fence; many people need fences to keep in dogs or children, and chain link is the most cost-effective fence you can put up. However, when you look down a street and see a solid line of fence metal, the street appears to be almost prison-like, or a compound. The underlying message that is communicated is, “Keep Out” or “This is a not a safe neighborhood”. Aesthetically, it can appear cold and unwelcoming. So a first time visitor to Oak Park would likely get the opposite idea about the types of people who live here. Also, I think the biggest misconception is that “Fences keep you safe”. Research shows otherwise, and I have talked to many people who have had their house broken into even though they have a fence. A fence is not going to stop someone who wants to get in. I think fences can definitely bring about a false sense of security. If you look at the safest neighhorhoods in Sacramento, they don’t have any fences in their front yards.
Ryan: It seems kind of touchy to ask someone if a chain link fence can be torn out. How do you pull that off without offending residents or making them feel isolated?
Amanda: This is a good question because having a fence is a personal decision for everyone, and each person has a reason for having a fence. My goal is that people examine their reasons to see if they are no longer applicable. Maybe they put the fence up in the 80’s when the neighborhood was much less safe. Maybe the previous owner had a dog and they have just left it up as a matter of convenience. We don’t force people to remove their fences, or pass judgment on why people leave them up. Basically, our services are an offer for anyone who wants them.
Ryan: What would your quick response be if someone said, “My house has always had a chain link fence. It’s not bringing down the neighborhood.”
Amanda: I wouldn’t even argue that. It’s their decision. Maybe their particular fence isn’t bringing down the neighborhood, but collectively, the 14 other fences on the same street might not be sending the most open message.
Ryan: How do you let other people know about your project’s services?
Amanda: We have announced our services at Oak Park meetings, and have mailed letters offering our services. Also, word of mouth. In a community like Oak Park, people know what’s going on and talk to each other.
Ryan: Do you only focus on chain link fences?
Amanda: Right now, yes.
Ryan: Is chain link difficult to remove? What do you do with it once it’s taken down?
Amanda: It’s surprisingly so easy! I bought some bolt cutters and a sawzall, and two people can take it down from start to finish in about half an hour! We have people who pick up the fence to sell as scrap metal to recycling centers.
Ryan: Lastly, in just a few words, how would you sum up what is happening in the Oak Park neighborhood right now?
Amanda: So much energy! People who live here can’t stop talking about all of the change.
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I hope you enjoyed the interview. Thank you Amanda for your time, and keep up the incredible work. If anyone wishes to connect with Neighbors Without Borders, email oakparkbeautiful@gmail.com. It’s easy to see the need for change, but rare to find individuals willing to help start to make change happen. If you are considering helping your neighborhood connect or grow in the right direction, why not get started? You just might be the right person at the right time to get the ball of change rolling. If not you, then who? Thank you also to The Oak Park team (Micah & Sam) for letting me use some photos.
Questions: What stood out to you most about the interview? What are your thoughts on chain link fences? Oak Park residents, how would you describe the neighborhood right now?
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Heather says
Loved this interview and LOVE this mission! Go Oak Park!!!!
Ryan Lundquist says
Thanks so much Heather. I love the mission too. It’s good on so many levels, and proof that a little effort can go a long way to make a difference. Go Oak Park indeed!
Nanci Thomander says
Thank you for this article and excellent interview showing what a difference taking down a chain link fence can make. I’m amazed at how easy it is to take down a fence and think it would be wonderful if all of Oak Park could show it’s a place of hospitality and pride.
Ryan Lundquist says
Thanks so much Nanci. Honestly, I’m a handy guy, but I’ve never removed a chain link fence. I was also surprised at how little it takes. It’s amazing how having the right type of fence (or no fence) can help show hospitality and pride of ownership as you said. It’s the small things. On a somewhat related note, we like to believe we are rugged individuals, as if we live on parcel islands, but it just doesn’t work that way. Each household has to play a role in the community, and accept responsibility for being a good steward of the neighborhood. Thank you again.
Gary Kristensen says
Inspiring interview. There are parts of my town where someone like Amanda could help remove fences or do other similar things to help make the neighborhood feel more welcoming.
Ryan Lundquist says
Thanks Gary. I hear you. Well said amigo.
Matt Gougé says
great article Ryan! I went to school in Oak Park (Sac High) #GoDragons …. I’ve seen so many great changes to the neighborhood that has always had great folks and a real community feel… Kudos to those who are taking part in projects that have positive impact on their community…
Ryan Lundquist says
Thanks so much, Matt. I didn’t know that. Very cool.
Chris Roberts says
Seems like this woman is probably someone who grew up in the suburbs and is now playing urban pioneer settler.
It is pretty clear, because she is focused on a superficial issue like chains.
Rather than worrying about chains, worry about the issues that cause people to put chains up in the first place.
The fact that cops are no where to be found in Oak Park that allows homes to get broken into. The fact that the further south you go, outside the gentrification bubble, the more the neighborhoods belong to the gangs, drug dealers, and thugs.
Worry about that fact that there few amenities to offer children and few gathering places for the local community.
This is the type of feel good bs that makes people think they are making a difference, when they are not really getting their hands dirty in the nitty gritty.
Ryan Lundquist says
Thanks Chris. I appreciate your comment and perspective. There are definitely deep issues to address in the neighborhood. You’re right about that. Removing a fence doesn’t solve some of the core problems in the community at large, but it does begin to address the surface, which is a good thing. There are some interesting studies out there regarding the Broken Windows Theory, so it seems there is some real validity to cleaning up the neighborhood by removing elements of blight. I know the outworking of this theory taken to the extreme can really only address the surface, but my take is it is an excellent starting point and way to bring residents together to then begin to address deeper problems. This is why people like Amanda are important. Every community needs many different people to help bring change, and she is pulling her weight in the neighborhood to say the least. It would be great if every resident recognized issues in the community and was individually intentional to be a part of bringing change. Maybe some will take down fences, others might work on drug and gang prevention, some might do after school tutoring, and others might help bring parks. The question becomes, what does it look like practically for residents to get their hands in “the nitty gritty” as you said? In other words, how would we know when a resident was in “the nitty gritty” or not? I would love to hear your take. I definitely don’t want to argue of course, but these things matter deeply to me, so I am always open to conversation.
Lori says
Ryan, thank you so much for this interview! This is so refreshing and I agree whole heartedly with Amanda. Oak Park has some great little neighborhoods and great old architecture. Some of these houses are so cool. The photos by the way are amazing. What a difference it makes to take down the chain link fence!
Ryan Lundquist says
Thanks so much Lori. I appreciate it. 🙂
Vicente says
There are about many ways to beautify and decorate chain link and wrought iron fences. If it is necessary to have those chain nlinks for one reason or another, then the best option is either you change the it with a good looking fence i.e. aluminum or wood or you could change the appearnce of the chain link.
Chorashan Marquez says
One of the main reasons I purchased my home was because of my chain link fence! I love that my small furry family member is protected and I can see straight through to the sidewalk, making my yard appear larger and connected to the street.
Ryan Lundquist says
Thank you so much for sharing Chorashan. That sounds great.