Do appraisers have to use comps from the past 90 days? Nope. Of course not, but this idea is still pretty common. The truth is sometimes the best comps are much older. Usually they’re not four years old, but they were in this situation. Let’s talk about it. Anything to add?
Warning: This post is a little longer on purpose.
Some details: The subject is located in Old Folsom and was built less than ten years ago whereas most neighborhood homes were built many decades ago. The subject is about 2500 sq ft with a 572 sq ft Accessory Dwelling Unit (ADU). It had a high-quality of construction and the builder nailed the architecture because it resembled the old world charm found in nearby homes.
My appraisal & the sale: I did an appraisal before the subject was on the market to assist the owner in pricing the property. This home was listed by Gail DeMarco at $899,999 and it sold for $925,000 in only six days of market exposure. It had four offers too. By the way, I appreciate getting permission to share about this property too.
Lack of recent comps: There were no recent similar sales. Zero. Most other areas of Folsom are much newer in age too, so using other neighborhoods wasn’t ideal in my book. This is why I chose to focus on older sales to understand the neighborhood market.
The city vs the neighborhood: I looked up sales to get an idea of what buyers have been paying historically in Old Folsom. Lately there hasn’t been anything above the low $700s, but if I look back in time I can see two outliers in particular. Could those be clues for me?
The best comp: As I looked back in time I found a neighborhood sale that was ideal as a comp because it was newly constructed, had era charm (higher quality), and it also had an accessory unit. It’s like the heavens opened up and gave me a gift. Yet this sale was from 2015. Doh!! But then again, this property sold twice on the open market and commanded a price premium both times, and that helped show what the market was willing to pay for something unique.
I wondered how this one comp competed with the rest of similar-sized sales in Folsom too, so I made some visuals. This gave me clues into what was competitive in the past during both sales. In other words, which areas of town did this property compete with when it sold in 2006 and 2015?
How much has the market changed? I gauged the increase in value since 2015. The market had increased about $125,000 to $150,000 since this property sold based on the trendline on the graph and other sales, so I gave a huge adjustment up in my report. By the way, if you don’t know how to graph, you can always try to see the market by comparing sales in 2015 vs 2019 or maybe crunching numbers on a CMA. But then again, why not learn to graph?
Okay, this is getting too long, but that was some of my process.
CLOSING THOUGHTS:
1) Be sure to look wide enough: Sometimes we focus so heavily on comps over the past 90 days, but there might not be any. At times we need to look much further in time to get a sense for how a unique property might fit into the market. Whatever we do, let’s just be cautious about imposing such a narrow view that we miss older sales that might be relevant. Usually we might have sales within the past 12 months, but this was a unique case. I’d recommend finding more than one comparable sale too because one data point might not be enough to get a sense of value.
2) Keeping lenders happy: Lenders like things to be neat and often ask appraisers for very recent sales, but in my mind there just wasn’t anything adequate to use that was recent. This would be a really ugly appraisal for a lender, and it’s why I told the owner that the appraiser for the loan was going to have a hard time finding two other similar sales that were more recent. I don’t know what the appraiser did, but part of me hopes at least the appraiser used this one older sale because it was the best (in my mind).
3) Crunching old data but using new sales: It’s possible to use old data to help understand the market and still focus on new comps. So in a case like this you could study much older sales but then choose to focus on much newer ones in an actual appraisal or CMA.
4) The fine print of lenders: Keep in mind lenders do sometimes have requirements for how old comps can be. For instance, FHA wants all sales to be within 12 months. So if a buyer here was using FHA, I could study older sales and even give weight to this older sale in the comments in my report, but I wouldn’t actually use this as a comp in my appraisal.
REAL ESTATE AGENTS: If you happen to be having a conversation with an appraiser about sales you used to price the property (without pressuring the appraiser to meet a certain value of course), I suggest you generally try to focus on more recent data because lenders tend to get fixated on new sales. Yet don’t be afraid to talk through older stuff. Just be sure older sales are truly relevant though. For instance, in the case above it would be okay to share this one comp from 2015 because it was truly the best one. But you hands-down need current stuff too.
I hope that was interesting or helpful.
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Questions: Anything else to add? What would have you done in this situation?
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Hey Ryan, interesting post. This is an interesting problem.
I had a similar report that I did for a lender in the Sacramento Delta last month. I had two good sales within in a mile that closed three years before. They were Comps#1&2. I looked at what those homes competed against in 2016 and used those two sales to define a secondary competitive market, unincorporated Elk Grove small residential acreage. I then brought in sales from the secondary market closed within the past 12 months to support my time adjustments for the two dated, more similar sales.
The lender understood what I did and didn’t push back. I was lucky to have a good client.
Thanks Joe. Great job. That’s exactly what I would’ve done. There is no escaping old comps anywhere on the river in most cases. I’m glad to hear the lender was understanding too. That’s how it ought to be.
Hi Ryan! I enjoyed taking this journey and your investigative work. I agree with you that sometimes the best sales are dated. I almost always go back two years when searching for comps. Especially when appraising more difficult properties. I will often use a dated sale in the comp 4 or 5 position, for bank appraisals, and then explain why. I need to really start using graphs lime yours for this kind of situation. It really is a powerful visual aid for determining where the market is going. Thanks for a great post as always!
Thanks Jamie. I appreciate how detail-oriented you are. Graphs like this can really help for older stuff. They’ve assisted me in seeing the market in many cases. Though we have to be careful with graphs too because maybe the market changed and behaves differently now… In this case I was so glad this one best comp sold twice instead of just once.
For sure! Multiple sales on the same property is very helpful at seeing what’s going on in the market. Great point also about being cautious.
Another consideration is to validate previous transactions were in line with market. Occasionally with high dollar sales sold for cash; they had more money than sense. Great sleuthing.
Thanks Mark. You are absolutely correct. I totally agree with you. Sometimes high cash sales are more about an individual’s wallet than the market. I can think of one particular property that was purchased a few years ago and it’s not selling today even though it’s priced where it should theoretically be selling in today’s market. This just goes to show it was very likely a unicorn buy in the first place.
Love the post, I use dated comparable sales whenever it is necessary. Ignoring dated comparable sales that are more similar in an effort to use comparable sales that are more recent is like taking your pregnant wife to the hospital in a snowstorm using your new Smart Car when you have an old hardtop Jeep parked out back with working heater and military tires. Sure the Smart Car might have a better heater and plates that aren’t expired, but do you really care when there is a good chance you could end up in the ditch? It is stupid when a lender or government entity puts an arbitrary limit on the age of sales data. All sales data should be considered by a professional appraiser in the context of the local market conditions and the complexity of the property.
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I agree. Great last line. It’s silly to impose rules on properties. I guess with FHA there are bound to be more sales anyway because of loan limits, so it’s not likely a real problem. But sometimes we simply have to reach in the past and that’s absolutely the best thing. In this case I wrote about I literally don’t know what the appraiser would’ve chosen for comps in today’s market. In my report I used two very old sales and one filler sale (for context basically) that sold at a competitive level but it was totally different.
Ryan, you did an awesome job of documenting the thought process appraisers go through. This is great for agents because they can identify things that they should be looking for when pricing a listing. Hopefully, if they use the same criteria and thought processes that appraisers do then the likelihood of there being a huge discrepancy between the mortgage appraisal and contract will be minimal.
Thanks Tom. That’s a high compliment. I really appreciate it.