Is the market about to crash? How long can this keep up? What’s going to happen? Every week I’m getting questions like this, so let’s talk through some of the issues. This post has lots of topics that are coming up, so just skim to something that looks interesting. Anything to add?
The truth is nobody knows the future: Most predictions these days either say the market is going to keep increasing for 5-10 years or we’re poised to crash. But nobody knows the future. I know that’s not a popular answer, but it’s true.
Unsustainable: This market is really starting to feel irrational. We are seeing freakish price growth and illogical offers, which is why this does not feel sustainable. I’m not saying the market is going to crash because of this, but I am saying this type of rapid appreciation cannot keep up without simultaneous economic growth or some other stimulus. Last week I got asked about this in a live interview with Fox 40. Enjoy the discussion (see 4:41 for my answer).
It’s not easy to time the market perfectly (seriously): On paper it’s easy to time a real estate market, but it’s not so easy to pull off in the real world because finances and lifestyle don’t always line up perfectly with market conditions. In other words, most people buy when their lifestyle requires a change rather than finding a so-called perfect moment where prices bottom out. In fact, most of the time when I ask people if they bought on purpose in 2012 at the bottom they say, “Nope, I just got lucky.” This is not to pressure anyone to buy right now. I’m just saying it’s a good idea to get rid of “the market is so easy to time” myth and consider your lifestyle as well as prices.
False prophets: Be careful of some who are forecasting the market because they’ve been making false predictions for years and they keep repackaging their prophecies when the old ones don’t come true. By the way, here is a prophet test flow chart to find out if you’re a real estate prophet.
We’re back to peak prices, so we’re going to crash: I gave a presentation recently where I talked about nominal prices being back to 2005 levels in a certain area and someone interpreted that to mean we’re at the top and about to crash. Look, the median price in the entire Sacramento region is now almost 20% higher than it was at the previous top in 2005, so it would’ve popped long ago if there was something magical about getting back to that level. In short, don’t put your stock in “getting back to the top” as a predictor of future trends. And for economic nerds, I’m talking about the nominal price here (which market participants tend to fixate on), so please don’t open up the inflation conversation.
Not the new template: What happened during the last housing correction is not the new template for every future market change, so we cannot look to the previous crash and derive some sort of bubble formula.
I’m going to sell at the top and rent: I had a conversation recently with someone wanting to sell soon and rent until the market crashes. I get it because this person wants to pocket equity and avoid pain, but here’s a practical consideration. If the market did decline it could take years to do so. For instance, it took about 6.5 years for the last cycle to fully decline in Sacramento. Of course the bulk of the decline happened in the first three years. No matter what though, the viable question becomes how long are you going to rent for?
Fear of missing out: There is a palpable fear among some buyers about missing out on the market and not being able to afford in the future. If you’re in that boat I recommend having lots of conversations with people you trust and maybe don’t buy if you cannot make a decision based in confidence. In my experience buying anything based on fear doesn’t usually work out so well.
The market was slowing and now it’s not: The market was slowing down for years and now it’s doing something completely different (unexpected). The thing is despite being in a global pandemic we’ve had artificially low inventory in light of COVID (less sellers listing their homes), more migration due to the ability to work from home, and shifts in what people want and need as a result of the pandemic. Oh, and mortgage rates dipped below 3% which has created truly excessive demand. It’s been the perfect storm to build what is likely the most competitive market we’ve seen.
Do you see how price growth was slowing until last year?
This upward price trek is happening in many places around the country. Here is a killer visual from Freddie Mac economist Len Kiefer:
A foreclosure wave is coming: There is talk about a coming wave of foreclosures in light of elevated forbearance rates. Here’s the thing. We don’t know for certain how forbearance is going to shake out because we’re still in the thick of this pandemic. Yet forbearance rates have been declining per the Mortgage Bankers Association and not everyone in forbearance is going to sell either (the stats literally show this). Moreover, the vast bulk of people in forbearance have equity to deploy (sell, refinance, etc…) instead of lose their home. I’m not sugar-coating anything and I’ll be the first to say there is uncertainty on the horizon in light of this. I do expect for some of these people to legitimately go into foreclosure, but at this present moment the stats don’t support a narrative of a massive wave of foreclosures materializing. We’ll see what happens of course, but this is what the stats are currently seeming to show.
Riding down the market: If the market did crash, which neighborhood do you want to ride down the market in? This is a relevant question that I heard first from Mike Gobbi. Remember, the equity in our homes means very little unless we are taking money out or selling.
Freakishly high price growth: We’ve had uncharacteristic price growth over the past year. The median price far outpaced where it should have theoretically gone. From my estimation it’s about $40,000 or 9% higher than it should theoretically be had we had a normal year last year (see visual). This could of course be the new normal, but no matter what I think we need to recognize the market is doing something right now that goes against a slowing trend we were experiencing in previous years as well as normal price growth.
The double-edged sword of appraisal waivers: We’ve seen so many more appraisal waivers this year. I get the necessity in light of appraisers being so backed up with a refinance boom and huge volume in the resale market, but what happens to prices over time with so many waivers? If some of these homes are essentially closing too high, does that help inflate the market? Of course let’s remember one sale doesn’t make or break a market, but if we start seeing lots of inflated sales that could certainly help speed up price appreciation. This is something to watch.
Market price cycles & the 7-year rule: Some people buy into the idea that the market changes every seven years, but that’s really not true because here we are in our tenth year of price growth (in Sacramento at least). But there is something to be said about real estate price cycles. Markets go up and they go down. That’s what they do. Bottom line. So at some point the most natural thing we can expect is for prices to go down. You know what wouldn’t be normal? If prices just kept rising forever…
Rates going up can help (eventually): The other day a Realtor friend said he thinks rates need to go up. You know we have a problem when real estate professionals start saying rates are too low. Just remember it’s possible we could see more buyers rush the market if they sense rates really are going to go up. The idea is to get in before they rise.
Look for price resistance: One of the things to watch is whether buyers are resisting prices. So far that is not happening. This doesn’t mean everyone can afford the market, but this month we’re likely to have our eighth month in a row of higher sales volume and pendings have been off the charts. In short, buyers are clearly pulling the trigger right now and we are not seeing resistance when it comes to playing the market.
Dude, this is so obviously a bubble: I get the sentiment. But remember, one of the ways we know something is a bubble is if it actually pops. Freddie Mac had a great article referencing this point years ago.
But inventory is low: There is the notion that inventory is low, so prices cannot decline. That’s a reasonable idea, but it’s only true until it’s not true. If 2020 taught us anything it’s that sometimes dynamics shift, so let’s be open to the idea of the market not having to behave a certain way despite low inventory. With that said, there is such a profound imbalance between supply and demand right now, so prices are clearly poised to rise in the immediate future. Nobody knows how long this run will go, but we would be wise to recognize inventory is about both the active listings on the market as well as demand for those listings. I find conversations about low supply can be lopsided at times if we only discuss what is on the market rather than factors that create demand. Remember, when demand changes, it can also affect supply.
Keep your credibility intact (for real estate professionals): To my real estate friends, I recommend knowing the stats more than ever and being able to articulate what the market is doing by highlighting numbers instead of being swayed by every new sensational idea. I imagine many real estate professionals (including appraisers) will lose credibility in a market like this by being swayed by clickbait, posting predictions that don’t come true, or promising a future that is not known. Remember, sometimes the best answer is “I don’t know” when people ask you to predict the future – while having intelligent discussion about all the moving parts. My advice? Keep your credibility intact by being rooted in data.
I DIDN’T ANSWER MY QUESTION: You may have noticed I didn’t answer the question in my title. But hopefully after reading my post you can understand why.
I hope that was interesting or helpful.
Questions: What did I miss? What is coming up in conversations right now for you? I’d love to hear your take.
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Gary Kristensen says
“My crystal ball is broken.” LOL
Ryan Lundquist says
Yep. Haha. I also got in a line about Zillow not being able to smell if 20 cats live there. Proud professional milestones here Gary. 🙂
Rick Johnson says
Demand slowing is the predominant precursor to a market changing from an upward trend to a plateau and likely decline. I believe the most substantial change agent of demand is qualification for a loan, clearly increasing prices isn’t slowing demand. When prices, or interest rates, stretch the expense/DTI to a point of failing to qualify for the loan, a tipping point has arrived. Unless the Government sees this and alters the rules, “everyone can go Stated Income!”, or “Lets drop minimum FICO”. Clearly a Buyer who fails to qualify for a desired price point can shift down to a lesser range, and a greater demand for the “less than median” homes can take place, overall people do not like to down grade, so I think most will hold off the purchase attempts, thereby reducing overall demand and fueling a likely decline. The rate of decline will be increased or decreased by the rate of step down purchases.
With all that in mind, I am very curious to see the percentage of loan application denial versus acceptance in an historic chart, maybe with an overlay of the median prices of home.
Seems fact based, what say you?
Ryan Lundquist says
Thank you. I like your thinking. I don’t know that I’ve ever seen loan denial vs acceptance. That would be fascinating. I think one of the symptoms of demand of course is loan applications though. I’m technically not sure if the loan apps we see in the stats represents all applications or just the accepted ones.
There are ways to keep demand going such as mortgage rates below 3%. We’ve also heard about a Biden $15K tax credit. There is nothing definitive known about that, but it could be a way to sort of keep momentum going (not that we need any of that right now).
For now increasing prices have not slowed demand because mortgage rates have helped fuel affording those higher prices. There comes a point of course when the benefit of low rates is offset by higher prices. We have not reached that point at this time. But if we increase rapidly and one of the big tools for affordability is mortgage rates below 3%, then it becomes more of a factor if rates rise.
James Voorhees says
I’m curious how SFR rents are moving relative to prices, and if cap rates (or more specifically cap rate spread over treasuries) have fallen substantially in the past year. Strong rent growth could be a sign of supply/ demand dynamics or monetary inflation, or some combination. Falling cap rates could indicate expected inflation or irrational pricing.
Ryan Lundquist says
Hi James. I don’t know the answer to the question about cap rates, so I’d defer to someone else. Yardi Matrix shows pretty modest gains in rent lately, but that’s only one source. I think the real word on the street is from property managers. I will say the rental market is incredibly tight. It’s a very similar dynamic with very limited supply. For instance, I did a rental valuation the other day in the City of Galt and there were hardly any rental listings available. I could just find 2-3 when scouring Zillow, Craigslist, Hotpads, etc…
Ryan Lundquist says
Oh, and here’s the link to Yardi data (pretty limited). https://www.rentcafe.com/average-rent-market-trends/us/ca/sacramento/
Cleveland Appraisal Blog says
Great thoughts Ryan! Predicting future events is futile. This last year is further proof of this! I completely agree with you that one thing is true. The surge in home prices at these rates is not sustainable. It’s going to be another interesting year.
Ryan Lundquist says
Thanks Jamie. Well stated. 2020 did show us that for certain. Interesting times ahead. It’s astounding to see how sharp price growth has been lately.
Cleveland Appraisal Blog says
It truly is! I’m seeing this in my market. Truly unbelievable.
Ryan Lundquist says
What’s astounding to me is to see the market speed up so much this year after very clearly slowing (as I mentioned in the post). This is what feels so unnatural about it. One of the big issues creating so much demand happens to be rates below 3%. But I think in coming years we’re going to get a bigger taste of how demographics are changing and what working from home really means for the market over the long haul. We are living through such an interesting time of life. Truly.
Cleveland Appraisal Blog says
So true! I agree with also about the interest rates. I think that once they begin to rise, this may also prompt more people to sell their homes and at the same time slow down demand, which will help. More people working from home does seem to be playing a role in this changing market for sure! Interesting times indeed!
Forth Hoyt says
Hi Ryan,
I love your posts thanks so much for your work! I’ve read and thought and read some more about these questions for a long time. for several years I’ve been kind of keeping track of numbers in the Census data within the Sacramento, Roseville statistical area and then the MLS stats within the same area as the statistical area. Since 2008 the metro area has grown in population, job growth, household income, household numbers etc. All those have all grown 9-13% while housing units are only up 1.9% or something like that- the builders are still only building a fraction of the new construction they were pre-crash. For almost 15 years or so now, housing units are just not keeping up with household numbers. I feel like the only way this thing could change is if he entire economy were to crash… Jobs, incomes and population all falling… the rising rental rates are moving right along with market values, and it’s hard to figure there might be a “bubble” in rents. Rents are pretty organic aren’t they? I’m not saying it cant happen but I don’t see it happening unless there’s some outside force that causes the entire economy etc. to crash.
Ryan Lundquist says
Thanks Forth. We do have a severe housing shortage and that’s not poised to change. Though it’s possible for demand to shift. Right now it’s so out-of-control that it’s hard to imagine anything ever changing, but things ought to theoretically feel at least a little different with rate hikes and getting through the pandemic. Ultimately we are in a very difficult position and there is no easy answer for us in terms of getting more inventory. Though I will say the market really shifted in 2018 and started to get very dark despite being in the middle of a shortage. In fact, many people though the market was turning. So I’d say it’s possible for a market to get gloomy despite not having enough inventory. We definitely had a housing shortage in 2018 also.
Let’s keep watching. We’ll know more in a bit if there is any effect on the market between 2.5% to 3.0% rates. That happened very quickly. Historically our market has been hyper-sensitive to rate changes, so it’s going to be interesting to see how buyers respond.
Robert Wilkerson says
GB home owner, engineer, and economics/finance nerd here. Very interesting blog post. Thank you for the analysis.
What I see around me is a surge in Bay Area transplants and newbie telecommuters. Just anecdotal but I question the sustainability of that surge. Apple, for example, just famously built a $1B campus. Google similarly has invested heavily in brick and mortar office space in the BA. I know they are saying that virtual work has no end in sight, but it’s hard for me to believe there isn’t a retraction at some point. Makes me wonder if the flux of BA jobs back into offices becomes a significant catalyst for this area. That commute can be brutal for folks that try it. GB might be unique in that though.
Ryan Lundquist says
This is great Robert. I’ve thought the same thing. On one had the message is work has changed forever (and it likely has to a certain extent), but there is no mistaking new tech campuses are being built AND we’ve seen increased migration from the Bay Area to both Seattle and Austin (USPS and LinkedIn stats). So clearly people are still congregating based on location. It’s not just about being at home.
I think we need more time to understand how this is all going to play out. Regarding Granite Bay and anything you are seeing on the ground, I’m always open to your take. Thanks for pitching in these thoughts.