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Thoughts on PG&E and the housing market

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I’ve been asked quite a bit to talk about what’s happening with PG&E. It’s mind-blowing to think close to one million households have had spurts without electricity lately in California. I don’t think anyone saw this curveball coming, so let’s talk about it. Please pitch in your thoughts below too.

Here are a few things on my mind.

Prolonged vs isolated incident: Whenever something changes in a market we tend to immediately ask about the impact, but the truth is we don’t always have answers – especially at first. It’s important to remember a few power outages aren’t likely to alter the perception of sellers and buyers in a market. But if we begin to see a prolonged issue, then that’s a different story.

The market will adapt: Generators haven’t been easy to find in the Sacramento area despite all the radio ads, but at some point if power outages become prolonged the market will simply adapt and generators will become commonplace. Thus properties with some sort of system to retain power are going to be more marketable. Remember though, if a generator isn’t a permanent part of the house, it’s really personal property, so it’s not going to be included in the appraised value.

Uncertainty: People like stability and so does the housing market. A friend in a rural area recently said she doesn’t know if she can take PG&E outages for the next ten years. I feel for her and I think her sentiment captures the struggle many residents have right now of living in the tension of not knowing the future.

The market hasn’t stopped: It’s important to note the housing market hasn’t stopped. There are still properties trading hands. In fact, here’s current pendings in Placer, El Dorado, and Nevada County. I realize this isn’t the perfect image because only portions of these counties are having outages. Nonetheless, this is a quick glance to highlight the market is still moving. With that said, we’re at the beginning stage of this new issue and my sense is we’re in a stand-by period where owners and buyers are watching and waiting to see what the future holds.

Migration: Unplanned power outages could drive some residents to leave rural areas (or even suburban areas having issues). I think this is especially true for anyone who has already been flirting with the idea of leaving California. This could be the final straw. But for many rural owners they’re going to stay because they love their lifestyle (of course as long as there are solutions for keeping the power on during outages).

Solar: There’s lots of buzz about solar becoming a bigger trend in outlying areas. My advice? Just be sure the solar system is actually going to work if the power is out. And don’t make a rash decision about installing an expensive solar system if there is a more cost-effective solution too.

Insurance costs: Fire insurance has skyrocketed in outlying areas in recent time and it’s been a huge struggle. Just yesterday I had a real estate agent tell me a client was paying about $800 for an annual insurance plan and now the bill is $3,000 for the year. What a burden – especially for those with a fixed or lower income. Thus throwing in a new layer of power outages really doesn’t help boost appeal for outlying areas. Insurance is certainly a hardship, but at least it is a known factor. What is especially challenging with power outages is their frequency in the future is not known. This is where an element of uncertainty can be more stressful than insurance costs for some households.

Stories vs stats: When something new happens in a market there is a season where we have stories from the trenches of escrows and eventually these stories become stats. In my opinion right now we have limited data and we need more time to understand what the market is doing. With that said, when it comes to areas with rising insurance rates I’m noticing housing supply has ticked up at a higher rate in El Dorado County compared with the rest of the region, and sales volume has seemed to slump more in El Dorado County also. This includes the entire county of course and at some point I may parse only fire insurance areas (this is not as easy to do as it sounds). Anyway, let’s keep watching.

I hope this was helpful. I’m so sorry to friends who have been struggling with power outages. By the way, if any appraiser friends need space to plug into wifi if your power goes out, please hit me up.

Million Dollar Market: On a different note, here’s a quick rundown of the million dollar market in the Sacramento region if you’re interested.

Questions: If you live in PG&E territory, what have you been experiencing? What are you hearing from residents? What did I miss?

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When sellers expect buyers to pay for solar

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Sellers often expect buyers to pay the full cost of a solar system. So they say, “I spent $30,000 on this system, so let’s price it $30,000 higher.” I get the sentiment, but is it reasonable? Let’s talk about it.

This isn’t a “how to value” solar post, but a conversation focused on some logical points that might help sellers see why buyers often don’t pay the full cost of an owned solar system in the resale market.

1) Location: I don’t doubt the value of solar, but I do doubt the market always recognizes the full cost of solar in the resale market. If a solar salesman says the value is always the same as the cost of the system, that sounds like a great sales pitch. Is it real though? Does it work in Alabama, Missouri, and Antarctica? Is it the same for a $75,000 house compared to $850,000? Probably not.

2) Dollar for dollar: It’s always the dream in real estate to get buyers to pay dollar for dollar for any home improvement done by sellers, but that’s not so easy to pull off. Even if you look at Remodeling Magazine’s 2018 Cost vs. Value Report, hardly any items on the list give close to a 100% return compared to the cost. Of course solar is different because it saves money, but there still might be a principle here worth considering.

3) Age of the system: Imagine a solar system that is built to last 20 years, and it’s now 5 years old. An owner says, “I know the system isn’t new, but I paid $40,000 for it, so a buyer should pay $40,000 too.” That’s a nice thought, but the system is 25% used up already, so why would a buyer pay the full cost of a brand new system? It would be like saying, “I realize my car is 5 years old, but I want you to pay the sticker price from the dealer because that’s what I paid.”

4) Rebates: Were there any rebates when the owner purchased the solar system? For instance, if there was a $5,000 rebate for a $25,000 system, that means the real cost of the system was $20,000. This is important because why would a buyer pay $25,000 if the seller technically paid $20,000? Moreover, newer systems are bound to be more efficient and maybe even less expensive, so why pay full cost for an older system?

5) Savings: Imagine an owner saves $150 per month on her energy bill for a solar system that cost $25,000. In this situation at $150 per month it would take 14 years to save the full $25,000. Would buyers pay upfront for 14 years worth of savings to keep $150 per month in their pocket? Are buyers even going to be in the property that long? Let’s remember the benefit of solar is realized over the course of two decades, so paying for all of that benefit in one instance may not reflect what most buyers are willing to do. 

6) HUD solar programs: A home owner told a Realtor friend that HUD allows appraisers to add the cost of a solar system into the value. That sounds like an awesome idea, but it isn’t true. Appraisers don’t have a mandate from HUD or Fannie Mae to handle solar by adding the cost of the system to the value. What is true though is FHA allows owners and buyers to add solar on a purchase or refinance and get a loan (in some cases) for the full cost of the energy improvements. See page 453-454 in the HUD manual.

The puzzle of solar: This isn’t a post to explain how to value solar, but I hope some of the points above might bring perspective. In short, valuing solar is like a puzzle. We have to look to many pieces for the answer, so we’ll check out comps, consider the cost and age of the system, be in tune with how much money is saved each month, etc… If you think it would be useful, I can do a follow-up Q&A post about valuing solar (let me know).

I hope that was helpful.

Class I’m teaching: On September 17 I’m teaching my favorite class called “How to think like an appraiser“. I’d love to see you there.

Questions: What do you think of the points? Anything to add? What advice would you give to sellers expecting buyers to pay the full cost of solar?

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