Real estate prices are going to tank. We’ve been hearing that since 2020, and here we are without much change in most markets. Let’s talk about prices today, and I want to share some new visuals to talk about distressed sales.
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UPCOMING SPEAKING GIGS:
12/18/24 Coldwell Banker Sierra Oaks
1/15/25 Mike & Joel Event (details TBA)
1/16/25 Sac Real Producers event (details TBA)
1/22/25 Windermere El Dorado Hills / Folsom (private I think)
1/24/25 PCAR Market Update (details TBA)
1/31/25 Prime Real Estate (private)
2/6/25 She Invests event (TBA)
2/11/25 MLS Meeting TBA
2/18/25 Travis Credit Union TBA
3/6/25 Yolo Association YPN Event
3/12/25 Windemere Sierra Oaks
4/8/25 Culbertson and Gray (private I think)
11/4/25 SAR Main Meeting
PRICES HAVEN’T DROPPED MUCH
Nationally, homes prices haven’t crashed despite so many YouTube videos saying that would happen. So, it seems crash predictions are going to be punted to next year again. The problem is sellers have been sitting back, and that’s really changed the way the market feels. To date, it’s just been too tight for a 2007 level price crash event. For instance, locally this year we’re missing about 11,000 listings from the normal number. Imagine how different the housing market would feel if we injected 11,000 more listings this year. Do you think prices would be declining? I think they would.
From a real estate friend on X:
BUT LOCAL ISN’T THE SAME AS NATIONAL
One thing to remember is there really isn’t such a thing as a national market. The so-called “national” market is comprised of thousands of local markets, and this year national price figures are up, but there are definitely some local markets that are down. Like I always say, the market isn’t doing the same thing in every location, so we want to be careful about imposing a national narrative on every local market. There isn’t such a thing as national weather, and the same is true for real estate.
DID NOVEMBER REBOUND FROM FLAT PRICES?
Local price growth has slowed, and in recent months it’s felt pretty flat. However, price metrics for November are up 4-5% for the region. Has the market rebounded? Well, three things to keep in mind:
- We’re now comparing today with a time last year when rates were 8%, so many stats today are simply going to look better.
- Square footage in the region was larger in November 2024 compared to last year, whereas the four previous months were lower. This can make a difference in the numbers.
- Not every county is mirroring the regional trend of being up.
SIZE MATTERS
I pull stats for nine local counties, and I’ll say it’s hit and miss with size this year. Generally speaking, in counties showing negative price metrics from last year, homes tend to be smaller this year. And in counties with positive growth, homes tend to be larger. Ultimately, I wouldn’t get overly fixated on the latest glowing month unless we start to see a trend.
“PRICES ARE GOING TO DROP BY 40%”
I haven’t seen any reputable data firm say prices are going to tank by 40% in 2025, but I’ve heard that sentiment on X (usually from anonymous accounts). Look, here’s the thing. There is nothing wrong with prices going down, and that would be healthy to create more affordability, but we don’t have enough supply right now to see a massive drop like that. With that said, the positive news for buyers this year is we’ve seen a wider gap emerge between the number of listings and sales, and that has definitely softened the market (see chart). What we want to watch closely ahead is how this gap changes. If it grows wider, that could lead to prices softening, but if it gets tighter, that could leave space for some upward growth. I’ll talk more about this next month in my annual outlook.
BRO, SURFING FORECLOSURE WAVES
I thought it would be interesting to show distressed sales in a new way. I pushed out the first graph last week, and it created quite a bit of conversation.
- Only a few distressed sales lately
- The carnage after 2007 was vast
- The foreclosure market didn’t hit every area the same
- Distressed sales were more prominent at lower prices in some neighborhoods. This reminds us the market is NOT the same at every price point.
- Higher prices tended to be able to better weather the storm (more equity, more savings, higher income, more cash buyers, etc…).
NOTE: I chose different colors below just to mix it up
DISTRESSED SALES HARDLY EXIST
Very few distressed sales have hit the market lately. That’s what the graphs above show, and stats below show the same thing.
QUICK TAKEAWAYS
- Mortgage delinquencies have remained low, but it’s something to keep a close eye on.
- We’ve bottomed out with distressed sales, so there isn’t any place to go but up. Having more doesn’t mean 2007 though.
- Being underwater on a mortgage is not much of an issue today due to equity, so owners can often do traditional sales to deal with financial carnage.
- Let’s not fixate too much on REO and short sale stats because those stats don’t capture the owners who are selling right now due to distressed situations (they have equity to deal with their issues).
- Let’s watch rising credit card and auto delinquencies.
- Technically, short sales doubled from last year, but there were two this November compared with one last year.
The NY Fed has a great series of charts to show household debt, so check out their latest report here. And check out local delinquency rates from the CA Policy Lab.
And now local stats for anyone interested….
LOCAL STATS
Year-over-year stats. Remember, size matters here. For instance, Sacramento County had 6% larger homes this year, Nevada was 8% smaller, Placer was almost the same, and Yolo was 5% smaller in size. I may add a square footage category as I think it’s becoming more relevant for conversation. Stay tuned.
Month-to-month:
I hope this was interesting or helpful.
Questions: What’s happening with prices right now from your vantage point? Any insight or stories to share?
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Gary Kristensen says
What no crash yet? I remember last year having a conversation with friends about a pending crash and I pulled our your Grim Reaper door meme. LOL, just keep adding doors. Eventually the Reaper will find a door and crash prediction people will say, “I told you so”, but they will leave out all the years they told us so.
Ryan Lundquist says
Yeah, it’s embarrassing. I mean, it’s hard to predict prices, but people promoting a price crash are often earning revenue off of it. I personally don’t listen to people with a blatant agenda. I don’t want anyone to impose a bias on the stats. Let’s try to look at the market without a lens if we can. And yeah, people are starting to see a rise in inventory and say, “This is exactly what I said would happen.” Well, okay. Maybe that’s technically true, but you said this 2-3 years ago, so I’m not sure claiming victory right now is fitting. Whatever.
Brad Harpur says
Those are some great neighborhood graphs
Ryan Lundquist says
Thanks Brad. I’m so excited to share these. It’s fascinating how different neighborhoods look too. The downturn hit everyone, but not the same extent.
Josh says
I’m guilty. I didn’t recognize the power of the Fed to print unlimited capital (debt) that’s now being used to buy up real assets (stocks, real estate, crypto, etc). All of that QE helicopter money will eventually all float to the top 10-15%-class, and mostly the top-1% class. This is assured (built-in) by neo-liberal socioeconomic policies in-place since the 1980s. We are now living in a new debt-fueled economic paradigm. It’s fake. But it’s also real. Until it all comes crashing down. And I don’t see that happening for at least a decade. It’s like when the bank told the client “you’re overdrawn.” The client says “impossible! I still have some checks in my checkbook!”
So, unless we have a real recession (>6% unemployment, etc.), or housing supply somehow magically returning to 2015 levels, I no longer see housing (or any asset) falling significantly in value. There’s simply too much available capital sloshing around to allow a dramatic drop in asset values. And with Trump coming to office, we can expect even more Fed money print (debt) to cover the oligarch tax cuts.
(I saw this happening 12-14 months ago and hopped into a bunch of stocks. Up 30% or more today).
Ryan Lundquist says
Congrats on your stocks. That’s awesome. Wild ride. It’s a weird dynamic today where we’re experiencing the consequences of Fed policy. So, the housing market feels very broken. It’s been nearly 2.5 years since rates doubled, and buyers are struggling with affordability, yet prices are barely down from their mid-2022 peak locally. In a market with a normal amount of supply, this would not be the dynamic. This is simply the byproduct of sellers holding back and a lack of distressed properties hitting the market. Of course, it’s possible prices can dip ahead if rates remain higher, but it’s still very challenging to see significant price change without many more listings or economic carnage. Part of me wonders if the market will become more hypersensitive to any changes we see ahead. Only time will tell. It’s been wild to see all of this play out.
Bruce J. Ford says
Ryan – Again, wonderful graphs to drive home the point… There is direct correlation between the number of REO / DISTRESSED sales and the decline in overall MEDIAN price. The market was heavily impacted by that fact from 2009-2013. Once that REO / DISTRESSED inventory was consumed, by the market… the market slowly started to rise….
Currently, the market has stayed mostly flat due to the predominance of low-interest rate loans, of the current homeowners.
Ryan Lundquist says
Thanks Bruce. Love the commentary. It’s incredible how low prices got in some areas. In later 2007, we had over 14 months of housing supply in Sacramento County. Compare that with about 2 months right now. I’m not sugarcoating the trend here. I’m just saying competition levels have been so different today. The way I describe the market in 2024 is 2007 volume vibes, but with 2019 competition vibes. It’s a strange combo. But this is what happens when we’re missing so many sellers.
Flattening has been a vibe though. I’m seeing that in so many neighborhood graphs right now especially.