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The emerging trend of storage container homes (Q&A)

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Storage container units are all the rage on HGTV, but they’re starting to pop up in real life too. So let’s talk about them. Today I have an interview with James Roberts who handles design and engineering at TAYNR, a container home builder in Sacramento. I hope this will be insightful and interesting. Anything to add? Let’s talk in the comments.

Ryan: What got you into the storage container business?

James: I first became aware of “shipping containers” when I was a Signalman in the US NAVY. Seeing them in different commercial ports was common. After the NAVY I moved to Miami Beach where I met Sujan (Project Manager at TAYNR), and we would see shipping containers on large cargo ships, cruising in and out of the Miami Port all the time. But Denmark was the first container build I ever saw. And then London had container condos and a shopping center. Thailand, Laos, Korea Japan, Mexico, Costa Rica, Brazil all have many small pop-up businesses, single family homes and commercial buildings. During recent visits to China and Hong Kong, I saw new construction sites with 100s of containers modified for worker housing.

Ryan: What type of buildings can you make out of containers?

James: The possibilities are endless. The ISBU (Intermodal Steel Building Unit), the shipping container, is manufactured to carry heavy cargo of all kinds, to be stacked, and withstand extreme weather conditions while being transported across the seas. With that said, they are incredibly strong, and if modified correctly, they can be used for an endless amount of structures. Australia has been using containers for housing and commercial structures for 40+ years. America has recently (+/-10 years) started to use this building method for single family and multi-family homes, commercial store fronts, popup food stations, business marketing structures, etc. The worker housing units would be an excellent source for all means for temporary housing in the US. Emergency, migrant, farm, homeless, camping, etc. The list can go on.

Ryan: What is the maximum number on stories you can do?

James: They are manufactured to stack on top with the weight bearing on the four corner posts. It is common to see them free-standing 6 boxes high at the port. This is without reinforcement or anything securing them together. You can imagine that with additional engineering and structural support, this could easily be doubled, possibly tripled.

Ryan: Tell me about the accessory unit you built in Oak Park (the blue unit below).

James: Matt and Jamie Leonardo contacted me in late 2016. They bought their Oak Park home a few years before and had worked up some equity. Originally there was a non-permitted home along the back alley way that had to be torn down in order for their loan to be approved. Replacing this structure for a revenue generating dwelling was pretty much in the plan from the beginning. I do not remember where/why they decided to build with a shipping container, but we met, discussed a plan and moved forward. This home will actually be showcased on an upcoming episode of You Live In What, premiering June 29th at 9 pm on Great American Country Network (GAC), an HGTV affiliate.

Ryan: Do units get extra hot on the inside because of the steel exterior?

James: No, our units are meant to perform extremely efficient by design. By nature, corten steel will absorb the heat from the sun. This is a factor that is taken into consideration from the beginning and we have many different ways to address this. For instance, the Oak Park container home is insulated on the inside and has reflective paint on the outside. Also, a weather barrier and facade were installed on the exterior of the container to allow for a 6?+ thermal break. The roof has a 3:12 sloped standing seam roof with 3’6? eves to provide additional shade along with the insulation and weather barrier laid out inside the roofline, and it has 2 mini-split for heating and air.

Ryan: What type of units do you find most clients are asking for these days?

James: Our highest demand for individuals is an ADU (Accessory Dwelling Unit) that can be installed in existing backyards for in-law quarters, guest homes, or as a rental unit to capture additional income. The TAYNR models are designed to be “building blocks” offering both 20′ and 40′ multi-block models. 1, 2 & 3 bedroom units with 1 or 2 baths.

Ryan: How long does it take to install an ADU?

James: Foundations can be installed in 1 day, and installation of the ADU is typically 5-10 business days depending in the model size.

Ryan: Is it fairly easy to get a storage container unit permitted?

James: “Easy” is absolutely not how would describe it. However, because we have our pre-designed models and engineering understood, this does simplify our process.

Ryan: Do you know if there is a limit to how many units can be added in a backyard?

James: Any residential lot in California can have one ADU as long as the property setbacks and design review conditions can be met. So far the only issue I have run into is physical access, which TAYNR now offers an alternative modular product that can usually meet this conflict.

Ryan: Have you found some areas not willing to allow containers because of design restrictions?

James: Usually this is due to the City/County design review. Some areas require the ADU be cohesive with the existing structure. As long as budget allows, this is not an issue because we can design a facade to satisfy this point.

Ryan: So far I’m not aware of any stand-alone single family container units in Sacramento. Have you heard about any yet?

James: There currently is not a stand-alone unit in Sacramento. Stay tuned… we have one in the works.

Ryan: What are the costs like for a storage container accessory unit?

James: Models and pricing are listed on our website (here).

Ryan: Are permit fees any different for containers compared to stick-built homes?

James: No, they are not. Our builds are required to meet the same building codes and are permitted the same as a traditional build.

Ryan: Anything else you want to add?

James: One of the biggest misconceptions is that building with containers is “cheap”. This is not the case. Although there are absolute savings if the build process is followed properly. Meaning, the onsite work should be performed while the ADU is being built in the factory, so the overall start-to-finish construction is significantly reduced, saving you a lot in labor cost. 

Ryan: Thanks for doing the interview. You killed it. Everyone, please check out TAYNR’s website. All photos in this post are TAYNR projects (images are property of TAYNR).

CLOSING APPRAISAL THOUGHTS: Container homes are an emerging trend in the market, so it’s important to stay in tune with this phenomenon. I’m excited to hear TAYNR is building a stand-alone home too because that’s not something the market has seen yet. It’s worth noting one of the struggles with stand-alone container homes is the potential of financing hurdles: 1) The unit might not be large enough in size in the eyes of the lender; and 2) A lender might ask an appraiser to use container comps to show the market accepts this type of property. Well, right now there aren’t any comps (yet). But the market is craving alternative products like this, so lenders over time will hopefully adapt to this emerging trend.

Questions: What do you think of container homes? Any insight or stories to share? Loan officers, any tips on financing? I’d love to hear your take.

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Peak prices & “bubble” conversations

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We’re about to have more real estate “bubble” conversations. Why? Because prices are very close to where they were at the previous peak of the market. Here’s a few things that come to mind when these conversations come up. Then for those interested I have a big monthly market update. Anything to add?

Higher prices fuel conversation: As prices rise, it inflames conversation about a real estate “bubble”. Media outlets cover this topic of course, but it’s also on the mind of the public.

Stats are VERY close to the peak: Markets throughout the country are different, but in Sacramento most price metrics are getting very close to the peak from 2005. In fact, the average sales price in the Sacramento region is now the SAME as it was back then.

No formula: As a friendly reminder, there is no “bubble” formula that says the market will plummet if we get back to prices from 10+ years ago.

Hello inventory: As news of high prices gets out there, some sellers will put their homes on the market thinking we are at the top. So let’s watch inventory very closely in coming time.

Normal seasonal slowing: Right now the market is slowing, and some are saying, “It’s starting to turn. Pop. The Bubble is happening!!!” Here’s the thing though. Markets tend to have a seasonal cycle where things are hot and then they cool off. When the market begins to soften each year we tend to hear a little more doom & gloom because sometimes we confuse a seasonal slowing with the market tanking. At the moment the stats in Sacramento look normal for the season and don’t indicate the market has made a big turn down, so I’ll keep saying that unless I have a reason not to. Make sense?

Less room: There is less room for prices to increase unless the job market and wage growth really start to move. So it seems logical for the market to slow down. Yet there are many dynamics that make prices move, and nobody has a crystal ball to say exactly what prices will do in the future.

Don’t forget Inflation: This might sound anal, but let’s get technical about comparing older prices with today’s prices. We’ve had thirteen years of inflation since 2005, and that means it’s gotten more expensive to buy the same goods today than it was in the past. For instance, the peak of the market in Sacramento saw a median price at $395,000 in 2005, but when adjusting that figure for inflation with an inflation calculator, a price at $395,000 in 2005 would technically have the same purchasing power of $511,000 today. So as today’s median price approaches $395,000, we have to realize it’s really not the same $395,000 as it was in 2005 because of how the value of the dollar has changed over time.

But the market doesn’t care about inflation: Okay, let me now throw a curveball. It’s important to understand how inflation works for the sake of comparing older stats, but I don’t think most buyers and sellers actually care about inflation. They don’t say, “Sweet, prices today look like they’re the same as 2005, but technically they’re lower because of inflation.” No, people tend to see prices and say, “Holy heck, we’re back to the peak.” I’m not dismissing the need to understand how inflation works, but only being real about how the bulk of buyers and sellers tend to think. Besides, it doesn’t matter how close we are to the previous peak anyway because there is no formula that says the market will “pop” at that level.

Preaching doom: Some preach doom & gloom, and that’s fine. My advice though? Be realistic about your ability to predict the future. Some have been making annual real estate predictions about how the market is about to collapse, and I’m hearing many say the big change is now coming later this year or in 2019. The problem is when these predictions don’t come true the “prophecies” simply get pushed back another year. The irony is if a person keeps making the same prediction every year, at some point that person could be right.

Seeing only red flags: It’s getting less affordable. The economy isn’t that great. Interest rates are rising. Home prices have outpaced wage growth. Lenders are getting more creative with financing. These are red flags for sure. But let’s remember just because unhealthy elements exist in a market does not mean it’s starting to crash. My advice? Be honest about the red flags, but let actual stats inform what you say and think about the market. Keep in mind many articles in coming time are going to preach doom, but take a step back from the articles and look to the stats. What do the stats say? And what is the mood among buyers and sellers in the market? That’s the only thing that matters. 

Open letter to worried buyers: Last year I wrote an open letter to buyers worried about another housing bubble. I have some practical advice and tips in there in case it’s relevant.

I hope that was interesting or helpful. Anything to add?

-—-—- Big monthly market update (long on purpose) ———–

We saw what we would expect to see last month. It felt like a normal May. Well, actually it was the strongest May of sales volume since 2013. Prices ticked up again, it took three less days to sell, and inventory remained sparse. Overall the stats are glowing, but it’s important to recognize the market is starting to slow for the season. We are seeing way more listings hitting the market, and this is transferring some power from sellers to buyers. We are also seeing more price reductions. In a few months we will likely see this slowness in the stats, but for now check out some glowing numbers below.

The previous “bubble” vs now:

1) Housing inventory: Since late last year housing inventory has begun to increase subtly. Right now we have 1.5 months of housing supply whereas one year ago we had 1.26 months of supply. Some might interpret this to mean the market has begun to collapse and really change directions, but this is still a very anemic level of housing supply, and the market has been able to handle this change easily because of strong demand. For reference, when the market collapsed in 2005 inventory literally doubled in 90 days from the summer to the fall. That’s a far different story than what we’ve seen so far this year with a minor uptick in inventory over the past two quarters. 

2) Sales volume: If we did have a “bubble” and it burst, I would expect to see more listings hit the market and most likely a drop in sales volume. In 2005 the market changed and properties simply stopped selling as you can see below. In one year sales volume literally dropped by 43%. Yikes!! In contrast, right now sales volume has been very steady. Let’s keep an eye on sales volume and inventory though because both metrics might help us gauge if the market really is changing. Remember though, before we see a change in sales, we’ll hear of a change in the mood of buyers and sellers. Thus the trend always happens in the listings first before we start to see it in the sales. That’s why the word on the street is so important in real estate (agents, please keep emailing me to let me know what you are seeing out there).

I could write more, but let’s get visual instead.

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SACRAMENTO COUNTY (more graphs here):

SACRAMENTO REGION (more graphs here):

PLACER COUNTY (more graphs here):

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Questions: What are you hearing buyers and sellers saying about the market? Do you think the market has turned or are we seeing a seasonal slowness? I’d love to hear your take.

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It’s not all about square footage in real estate

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A bigger house is always worth more, right? It’s really easy to fall into the trap of believing that, but it’s not always true. Let’s talk about it.

Myth: Extra square footage is always worth more.

1) Single story vs two story: Sometimes a large single story will sell for more than a larger two-story. This isn’t always the case, but in some neighborhoods we see this dynamic. So just because a 2-story is larger doesn’t mean it’s more valuable (or a good comp).

2) 55+ Community: In a 55+ community we sometimes see more emphasis on floorplan instead of square footage. Larger models still likely command higher prices, but at the same time the market doesn’t seem as sensitive to square footage differences like we see in other neighborhoods. For example, here are two models in Sun City Lincoln Hills with a 107 sq ft difference. Normally that might not mean much in a typical neighborhood, but it looks like there’s a pretty decent value difference here. On paper it seems like these two models could be perfect comps since they are so close in size, but that might not be the case. 

3) Layout: At times a house with a better layout will sell on par with a larger house with a less desirable layout (even outside a 55+ community). What I mean is buyers might pay the same for a 1,400 sq ft house with an open layout compared to a 1,700 sq ft house with a less open floorplan. This dynamic isn’t always easy to spot in MLS photos, and that’s why it’s so important for agents and appraisers to communicate. I recommend agents to open up conversation with appraisers about the listing (without pressuring to “hit the number”). What feedback did you get from potential buyers? What were buyers attracted to? Is there anything special about the house or neighborhood? When it comes to layout, this is often an “insider detail” that’s frankly easy to miss, so I can’t emphasize how important it is to communicate about this if it’s a relevant factor.

4) Dangerous to always adjust: It’s easy to get trigger-happy about making value adjustments whenever we see a square footage difference. Can you relate? But sometimes a square footage adjustment might not be needed. My advice? Be careful about always giving an adjustment and be cautious to not routinely give the same exact adjustment too. Try to look to the market to see if there should be an adjustment or not, and then proceed.

I hope this was interesting or helpful.

Questions: What point stands out to you the most? Anything else to add? I’d love to hear your take.

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Yes, appraisers do notice a lack of quality

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If you can tell it’s a DIY job, that’s probably a bad thing. Let’s talk about what happens when we spot a lack of quality in home improvements. 

1) Technically remodeled: A home might technically be “remodeled”, but if the work is low in quality it probably won’t compete with other truly remodeled homes. This is where photos can be deceptive because a home can look incredible online because lipstick was put on a pig so to speak, but when you see something in person it can make all the difference. On a side note, if you are selling a house and know a potential comp down the street had some quality issues, there is nothing wrong with letting the appraiser know about that so the appraiser can follow-up.

2) A closer look: When something looks off in a house, it’s like an invitation to start looking at other details more closely. I recall a high-end flip where the front door was not installed correctly. In my mind it was such a bad move because it was the very first thing anybody noticed, and as an appraiser it certainly caused me to question the quality of the rest of the work. I ended up looking more closely, observing some repairs that were needed, and I made the value in the report subject to some of the details being properly finished.

3) DIY: I’m all about doing it yourself, but if you can tell it’s a DIY job, that means there is a quality issue. You never want someone to think, “It’s so obvious someone who was not a contractor did this.” The danger is we think we can remodel anything after a few YouTube videos and binge-watching HGTV. Maybe we can, but let’s remember some things are better left to the professionals.

4) Value issue: The market knows how to sniff out a lack of quality, which means if a house has too many issues it’s likely buyers will pay less or even pass. On the appraisal side of things when I see a shoddy install of floors throughout a house, I have to take that into consideration in the final value. I probably won’t give some sort of floor adjustment, but if quality is clearly low and I’m convinced it means something to the market, I can always look at a reasonable range of value for the house and choose to bring in the value a little lower in this range.

5) Cost-to-cure: At times when I see a lack of quality in improvements I tally up a list of what it will cost to cure any issues. My sense is buyers do this when making a purchase, so it’s prudent for me to do it also as an appraiser (I’d rely on a contractor bid for the big stuff). For example, on a recent appraisal I tallied items that were standing out such as a shoddy deck that needed removal, doors that needed to be re-painted, baseboards and moulding that needed caulking, and kitchen floor that needed replacing. Buyers can be forgiving with a couple minor issues here and there, but when things really start to add up they’ll probably pay less. In this case I was noticing projects that were not finished, not done well, or needed to be removed altogether, and I had to consider the cost to make these things right. In photos this house would look amazing, but when walking through the details were off, and that’s exactly why it didn’t make sense for the value to be reconciled to the very top of the market. In this case the home needed about 15K in work to fine tune some of the details, and I had to take that into consideration in my appraisal.

I hope this was interesting or helpful.

THINK LIKE AN APPRAISER CLASS: I’m doing my favorite class at SAR tomorrow called “How to think like an appraiser“. It’s from 9-12pm on June 1st. We’ll talk about comps, adjustments, value, etc… It’ll be fun. You’re invited.

Questions: Any stories to share about a lack of quality? What point stands out to you the most? I’d love to hear your take.

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