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Can it count in the square footage?

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Can you include it in the square footage? I get questions like this almost every week. Is it okay to count an accessory dwelling in the living area? What about a pool house? How about a man cave or she shed? Let’s talk about this.

The straight dope: It’s tempting to lump something else in the backyard into the square footage, but that’s not appropriate per ANSI measuring standards. Basically if you have to walk outside of the house into something else that is not directly accessible to the house, we’re really dealing with something that isn’t considered to be a part of the main house. So we call that something else a studio, casita, accessory unit, pool house, she shed, or whatever. It’s just not the main house, which is why it’s not included within the square footage. 

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An Example: If you have a house at 2,500 sq ft and an accessory unit at 1,200 sq ft, it isn’t a 3,700 sq ft house. No, this is fundamentally a 2,500 sq ft house with something else. Could it be worth the same amount as a 3,700 sq ft house? Maybe. But if we only compare this type of home with other 3,700 sq ft units, we haven’t really proved what a 2,500 sq ft house with a 1,200 sq ft accessory unit is worth. The best comps will be other homes with accessory dwellings, right? Heck, maybe it’s worth even more. But we’ll never know unless we find the right comps to tell the story of value. The quick “comps” are all 3,700 sq ft, but those might not be the best representations of value.

The problem: If a property is priced based on a lumped square footage, what happens when the appraiser gets out there and needs to use smaller-sized comps that are consistent with the actual size of the main house? Is there going to be a difference in value?

The truth: It’s not an easy pill to swallow when the appraiser doesn’t include the extra space in the square footage, but just because it doesn’t count in the square footage doesn’t mean it doesn’t count in the value.

But they’re lumped together in MLS: I know, this happens all the time. A property will be sold with a lumped square footage of the main house and the pool house. We even see this happen at times in Tax Records. Let’s remember a few things: 1) The way a property is marketed doesn’t change what a property is; 2) As a non-lawyer I wonder if there is increased liability for representing a home at a larger size than it is (hopefully there is an asterisk that clarifies what the square footage represents); 3) The appraiser is very likely going to treat the two areas differently instead of lumping them together.

My advice? Instead of quickly pulling larger “comps” right away, try to isolate features such as a pool house, accessory dwelling, or outbuilding to determine what they’re worth in addition to the value of the main house. In other words, what is the main house plus the extra thing in the backyard worth? That’s the math market equation we have to figure out and it can be done by pouring through lots of data. Finding a few examples of homes that have sold with that feature is the ideal so we can try to discover what that feature commanded in terms of value. Sometimes we might even look through years of sales too. Remember we might not use really old sales as comps, but we can certainly use them for research.

Resources:
Q&A on accessory dwellings
Tips for valuing ADUs
Using older sales is sometimes the best option
Can a basement be considered square footage?

Anyway, I hope that was interesting or helpful. Thanks for being here.

Questions: Any stories to share? What follow-up questions or insight do you have? Did I miss anything?

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The skinny on accessory dwelling units

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I’ve been getting a ton of questions lately about accessory dwelling units, so I wanted to talk through some of the bigger issues. Skim to questions that sound interesting or take some time to read. Enjoy if you wish.

What is an accessory dwelling unit (ADU)?
There are lots of definitions out there. In short, an ADU is typically a detached or attached dwelling unit meant for independent living, so it includes a sleeping area, bathroom, and cooking area. California, Sacramento County, and other areas may describe ADUs a little differently. 

If a unit doesn’t have a kitchen is it an ADU?
An ADU must have a cooking area. Otherwise we’d call it something else. Personally I’d probably call it a casita, but that’s just me. Anyway, if a builder constructs an “ADU” and it only has a bedroom and bathroom without a kitchen, we just wouldn’t call it an accessory dwelling. 

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Is my pool house an ADU?
Probably not. Remember, if the pool house doesn’t have a kitchen, bathroom, and there is no sleeping area, it clearly doesn’t qualify as an ADU. I think sometimes if we step back and recognize we’re calling something a “pool house” too, that’s probably a clue that it’s something else.

What other words are used to describe an ADU?
There are countless words such as granny flat, casita, in-law quarters, mother-in-law apartment, garage apartment, etc… This could vary from market to market and person to person.

Is it okay to lump the square footage of the accessory unit into the square footage of the main house?
No. This happens all the time in real estate listings, but if you have to step outside the house into something else, it’s really not proper to include that other space in the square footage of the main house per ANSI standards. Think about it logically too. Imagine a 1,600 sq ft home with a 400 sq ft ADU. Is this really a 2,000 sq ft house? Nope. Maybe the market will pay the same price as other 2000 sq ft homes, but that’s beside the point because we’re fundamentally dealing with a smaller home with an ADU rather than one larger home. These are two different things, right? The problem becomes if we only choose 2,000 sq ft comps we haven’t really proved what a 1,600 sq ft home with an ADU is worth.

What if the square footage in a listing includes the ADU?
We see this quite a bit. I get it because the listing is advertising the total size of all structures on the lot. I just hope there is an asterisk or explanation somewhere in the listing that the square footage represents both the house and the accessory unit. This is important for clarity, maybe liability, and it helps appraisers be more informed when choosing comps. In short, just because it’s listed a certain way in MLS doesn’t mean the market or appraisers will recognize all the space as gross living area.

What if Tax Records shows the ADU in the square footage?
That happens. But just because Tax Records shows the property as 2,000 sq ft doesn’t mean that is what is legal or the way the market sees the units. If you want to know what is permitted it’s probably a good idea to rely on the building department (and hopefully they have good records).

It’s an ADU because it looks like one, right?
It’s key to understand what something is. I recall a unit permitted as a residential office even though it looked like a full-fledged second living space. It had a kitchen, bedroom, and bathroom, but the one thing it lacked was a permit to be an ADU and to be rented. This is where permits matter greatly. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck…. Well, it’s not always a duck when it comes to being an accessory unit. An owner might say, “This was fully permitted.” But the real question is, “What was it permitted as?”

How do you value a property with an accessory unit?
That’s a big question. I wrote a separate post about that. In short, I would look at it like a puzzle and consider lots of factors including comps, rental income, and lots of other logical points. 

How many accessory units can one property have in California?
On a single family lot you are allowed one ADU unit as well as one JADU (Junior Accessory Unit at 500 sq ft max). Here is an informative piece from CA for Homes. Please check code in your local area of course too.

Is a single family home with an ADU considered a duplex?
No. There is a difference. I wrote about that here. The struggle is how the lending community and appraisers talk about accessory units vs full-fledged two-unit properties isn’t always the same as the way a city or county thinks about these units. There is also a value aspect to consider. Typically each unit in a traditional two-unit property contributes very significantly to the value whereas as an accessory unit is often “accessory” to the value. In other words, an ADU might not sway value as much for a single family home compared to say taking away one of the units in a traditional duplex.

How do you find comps?
This gets a little tricky because in MLS these units are often called a range of things. Personally I search the property description field and I’ll see what comes up when I type in words like granny flat, accessory unit, ADU, second unit, in-law quarters, etc… Sometimes I even search for two homes on one lot because these units are sometimes listed that way. However, in a map search in MLS you can go to the “other structures” field and then select “guesthouse.” That’s what I did in the image below and look how many properties came up when looking at the past five years of sales. Granted, some of these pins aren’t truly accessory dwellings because they’re a pool house, bonus outbuilding, she-shed, etc.., but this is a great start nonetheless.

What about CC&Rs and rent?
In some areas an accessory unit might not be able to be rented per CC&Rs. If California law has recently superseded this, someone can let me know (people have been emailing me to say California law has, but I haven’t seen anything definitive yet to show these units can be rented (I will update this portion of the post when I hear more)). Otherwise I’ve encountered scenarios where a neighborhood’s CC&Rs will mandate a guesthouse can only be occupied by family members and is not allowed as a rental. I’m not a lawyer, so I cannot speak to any legal issues. I’m just saying before advertising a structure’s rental income in a listing or appraisal, be sure you know the structure can be rented. This might affect value, right?

What do you think about an ADU assessed at the cost of the unit?
I see this happen quite a bit. This isn’t a knock at any Assessor of course. It’s possible that buyers would pay the full cost to build in the resale market, but very often the market doesn’t pay dollar for dollar. In short, if you feel the assessed figure is too high you’re going to need to find out the process to dispute the assessment and show market support for your value opinion. Keep in mind I’m talking about a brand new accessory unit because when it is built you’ll get a supplemental assessment in the mail. As always, if there is nothing to argue, don’t argue. If you do feel value is off though, then be diplomatic and support your opinion with data. Or hire a local appraiser to illuminate market data (the appraiser cannot be an advocate for you though).

I hope this was interesting or helpful. Thanks for being here.

Questions: What else do you wonder about ADUs? Or if you work in real estate, what do you get asked? I’d love to hear your take.

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It’s not all about square footage in real estate

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A bigger house is always worth more, right? It’s really easy to fall into the trap of believing that, but it’s not always true. Let’s talk about it.

Myth: Extra square footage is always worth more.

1) Single story vs two story: Sometimes a large single story will sell for more than a larger two-story. This isn’t always the case, but in some neighborhoods we see this dynamic. So just because a 2-story is larger doesn’t mean it’s more valuable (or a good comp).

2) 55+ Community: In a 55+ community we sometimes see more emphasis on floorplan instead of square footage. Larger models still likely command higher prices, but at the same time the market doesn’t seem as sensitive to square footage differences like we see in other neighborhoods. For example, here are two models in Sun City Lincoln Hills with a 107 sq ft difference. Normally that might not mean much in a typical neighborhood, but it looks like there’s a pretty decent value difference here. On paper it seems like these two models could be perfect comps since they are so close in size, but that might not be the case. 

3) Layout: At times a house with a better layout will sell on par with a larger house with a less desirable layout (even outside a 55+ community). What I mean is buyers might pay the same for a 1,400 sq ft house with an open layout compared to a 1,700 sq ft house with a less open floorplan. This dynamic isn’t always easy to spot in MLS photos, and that’s why it’s so important for agents and appraisers to communicate. I recommend agents to open up conversation with appraisers about the listing (without pressuring to “hit the number”). What feedback did you get from potential buyers? What were buyers attracted to? Is there anything special about the house or neighborhood? When it comes to layout, this is often an “insider detail” that’s frankly easy to miss, so I can’t emphasize how important it is to communicate about this if it’s a relevant factor.

4) Dangerous to always adjust: It’s easy to get trigger-happy about making value adjustments whenever we see a square footage difference. Can you relate? But sometimes a square footage adjustment might not be needed. My advice? Be careful about always giving an adjustment and be cautious to not routinely give the same exact adjustment too. Try to look to the market to see if there should be an adjustment or not, and then proceed.

I hope this was interesting or helpful.

Questions: What point stands out to you the most? Anything else to add? I’d love to hear your take.

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Why did the appraiser say it was only two bedrooms? It should be three.

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The real estate agent marketed the property as three bedrooms, Tax Records said it was three, but then the appraiser said it was only two. What the heck? Let me share with you a situation I encountered recently where an appraiser (me) ended up removing one of the “bedrooms” from the room count because of a functional issue. Let’s look more closely below. I’d love to hear your take in the comments.

The layout of the house according to the agent:

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It’s not normal to have a layout like this, right? Imagine getting up to go to the bathroom at night and walking through someone’s room to get there. The middle room really wouldn’t have much privacy either, right? I can also picture a kid in the middle bedroom setting up a taxation system and charging his brother for passage from the rear room.

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The layout of the house according to the appraiser (me):

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I pulled three-bedroom comps before seeing the property, but I was surprised to discover it wasn’t really a 3-bedroom home because of a functional issue. I know this seems like a subjective call to axe a bedroom, but the functional issue definitely limits the use of the middle room, so it was not considered a bedroom. It’s too bad there was not more foresight when the addition on the rear of the house was done so the floor plan would be more functional. As a side note, I could have labeled the rear room as a den instead of the middle room, but since the rear room was larger in size, I thought it would more likely be used as a bedroom by the market.

Key Takeaways:

  1. Describe correctly: It’s important to describe properties correctly for the sake of clarity and even potential liability. This is true for both agents and appraisers.
  2. A Bedroom with functional obsolescence: I imagine some real estate professionals would call this a 3-bedroom home with functional obsolescence because one has to travel through a “bedroom” to get to a different bedroom. In my mind this was not a functional three-bedroom home, so I chose to describe it as a 2-bedroom home, but I would understand if someone wanted to describe it differently.
  3. The market’s response: The question becomes how to value something like this. Should we compare it to 2-bedroom or 3-bedroom homes? Well, it’s not really a regular 3-bedroom home, but it’s not really a traditional 2-bedroom home either because it has the extra space (den). Ideally, we should find a 2-bedroom property with a separate area like a den, office, or something else that is similar. If we’re lucky we might find a few sales with functional obsolescence (fat chance). Lastly, if the subject property has sold a few times in recent years, we might go back in time and see how the market valued the home. What did it compare to at the time of its previous sales?
  4. Tax Records isn’t the definitive authority: Just because Tax Records says it does not mean it’s accurate. In this case the home was functionally two bedrooms despite Tax Records saying it was three. As much as we want to trust Tax Records, sometimes we have to look at what is actually there and then try to understand why there is a difference between public records and reality. For reference, here are 10 reasons why public records and the appraiser’s square footage are often not the same.

I hope this was helpful. I’d love to hear your take in the comments.

Radio Interview: By the way, I did a radio interview last week on 105.5FM in Sacramento. Realtor Jay Stoops had me on his show. You can listen to our 20-minute conversation below (or here).

Questions: Is this a 2-bedroom home or a 3-bedroom home in your mind? Any other insight or stories to share? Did I miss anything?

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