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Does it help appraisers when agents increase the pending price in MLS?

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Does it help appraisers when agents increase the pending price in MLS for the subject property? In other words, if a house was listed at $400,000, but gets into contract at $415,000, does it help if the pending price is changed to $415,000 in MLS? This might seem like a silly topic, but I get asked this question all the time, and it seems like many believe this makes a difference for value. Here’s my opinion, and I welcome your two cents also.

Quick Answer: First off, sometimes agents think appraisers only look at the pending price, but appraisers make it a point to view the entire listing history. If you didn’t know, the Fannie Mae appraisal form actually asks appraisers to input the complete pricing history of the subject property into the appraisal. The appraisal report therefore records the original list price, any price changes, and the pending price. So it’s not like the appraiser or lender is blind to the fact the subject property was originally listed for less and is now in contract for more. In short, upping the list price for the subject property doesn’t help the appraisal come in higher or do anything for value. We have to remember the proof of value is found in the comps instead of whether the list price in MLS was increased or not for the subject property. However, on a different but related note it can be useful when appraisers are choosing comps and they see other pendings in the neighborhood getting into contract at higher levels. After all, pending sales showing higher prices might help us see the market is increasing or even help us make upward time adjustments. So while this practice of changing the list price in MLS for the subject property doesn’t do anything for value, in my mind it can be useful when looking at other pending sales in the neighborhood to see if everything is getting bid up or in contract at higher levels.

Three questions:

  1. What is the goal of this practice?
  2. If this practice is not done when the property is in contract for less, why should it be done when the property is in contract for more?
  3. If this happens in mass could it screw up data in any way?

I hope this was interesting or helpful.

Questions: What is your opinion on this practice? Is it a good idea or not? I’d love to hear your take.

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How do we value a brand new house in an old neighborhood?

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What do we do with a brand new house in an old neighborhood? Can it sell for more? How much more? I’ve been asked several times about this lately, so I wanted to pitch in some thoughts. Anything to add?

Some things I would do and consider when valuing a new home:

1) Immediate neighborhood: In an ideal world I’ll find a few recent examples of brand new homes on nearby streets. But if not I would search through years worth of sales in the immediate neighborhood for something that was newer in age. Even if I found older sales from years ago, my goal would be to compare these brand new homes with other similar-sized older homes at the time. How much of a percentage price difference was there if any?

2) Surrounding market area: If there are no sales in the immediate neighborhood I’d search competitive areas in the surrounding market. Did buyers pay a price premium in other places? Remember, it might be easy to cherry pick “comps” from brand new subdivisions or infill projects, but that’s not really the same thing as being totally surrounded by older homes, right?

3) New development: Next I’d take a look at the premium for new construction in the surrounding local market. For example, two weeks ago someone asked me how to value a brand new home in an older part of West Sacramento. I recommended points 1 and 2, but also said it would be wise to look in the newer portions of West Sacramento to see what brand new homes are selling for compared to homes that are just 2-3 years old in the same development. The premium we see in the new subdivisions might not correlate perfectly with an older neighborhood, but it’s still data. For instance, imagine we found there was a 10% price premium for brand new homes in the new area. At the least that might help us decide not to apply a 20% price premium in the older neighborhood we’re working in. Know what I’m saying?

4) Price ceiling: It’s possible of course to build something magnificent that might sell for big money in some parts of town, but we cannot forget the reality of price ceilings. In other words, there is probably a price limit buyers are willing to pay in an area before moving on elsewhere. Where is that ceiling? That’s worth asking and researching.

5) The wrong one & modern homes: Just because something is brand new does not mean it’s going to fetch top dollar. If it’s the wrong type of house for the neighborhood, buyers might actually pay less for the property. It’s like when someone builds a plain earth-tone stucco tract home in a classic area with Tudors and Bungalows. Despite being new it might actually sell with a price discount if it doesn’t have any hint of era charm for the neighborhood. On the other hand there are modern homes popping up all over Sacramento and beyond that seem to defy this idea. These homes definitely don’t blend into the neighborhood at all in terms of design, but they’re still fetching high prices. Keep in mind though modern homes tend to carry wide appeal, so they are often able to break the mold of the neighborhood and still command a price premium because of their style. In short, modern homes are not vibeless tract homes, so it’s not really the same thing.

6) Other: What else would you add to this conversation?

I hope this was interesting or helpful.

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Questions: Anything else to add? What’s #6? What have you done when valuing that brand new home in an old area? I’d love to hear your take.

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Cherry-picking comps & being connected to the neighborhood

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On paper it looked like value was going to be so much higher. Why? Because comps to the north were easily 10-20% higher, and even Zillow came in $100,000 above the appraisal (ahem). The big cause of such a legitimately lower appraisal boiled down to one thing. Location. Today I want to show a situation where a small section of the neighborhood was blocked off from the rest, and it was a big deal for value. Have a look below and let me know what you think. Anything to add?

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The value issue: As you can see, this pocket of housing in the Land Park neighborhood isn’t accessible from the rest of the neighborhood besides a frontage road next to I-5. In other words, this section is disconnected. What sort of impact is there (if any) for being cut off from the rest of the neighborhood?

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Methodology when only 5 sales in 5 years: When appraising something in this section, there were zero sales over the past 2 years and otherwise only 5 sales in the previous 5 years. This means I had to really study older sales to understand how value works. Here are the five sales:

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What I ended up doing was comparing sales in this small pocket with similar sales at the same time in other areas of Land Park. Also, my goal was to find other patches of housing in the expanded neighborhood that seemed to sell at the same level. If I could find other areas selling at similar price points through the years, then current sales in those areas are probably my best comps for today.

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Conclusions: After looking through all five sales I observed the following:

1) Some of the lowest prices: This small housing patch has some of the lowest prices in the neighborhood as shown with the yellow dots in the graph below.

Land Park trends by Sac Appraisal Blog

2) 10-20%+ easily: If I were to cherry pick “comps” directly to the north, there is easily a 10-20%+ price difference for otherwise similar houses. The truth? Location matters. So does being connected to the rest of the neighborhood. In some cases a few streets that are disconnected might not sell differently than the rest of the market, but it could also be a big deal like the example above. The truth is if we cherry-picked nearby higher sales, the value would’ve been inflated by $60-80K+. 

3) Limited by 90 days: It’s tempting to only look at the past 90 days of sales, but that can be far too limiting – especially in a situation like this. Also, a 5-minute comp check isn’t realistic. At times we might spend hours researching before beginning to understand how the immediate neighborhood compares to the rest of the market. We might even call colleagues and seek out other opinions too.

4) True comps: Other patches of housing in Land Park that tended to command similar prices were very busy streets or homes having a huge influence from nearby commercial properties (or heavy fixers that would have otherwise sold at much higher levels in average condition). I don’t say this to be negative about any of Land Park, but only to be objective as an appraiser trying to explain how value works in some areas compared to others.

I hope that was helpful.

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Questions: What point above stands out to you most? Anything else to add? I’d love to hear your take.

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